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esfoder

How many of you guys have the origional engine in your Hudsons? My 54 Super wasp has the same vin number as the engine serial number and it still runs like a top?Seems to me to be fairly rare for a 55 year old car.

How about you?

Dusty

P.S. I was going to yank it in favor of a 308 but I think I'll stay with the 262. If it aint broke why fix it?

nhp1127

Seems to me that most Hudson enthusiasts are not too particular as to a matching number car. They are more concerned if it is correct or period correct. As far as stepdowns, I think alot of this comes due to the fact that engines were easily swapped and there was alot of hot rodding and racing going on. Numbers matching certainly is not relevant like the Corvette or muscle car crowd. If you go to the 308 then just keep your old engine for when you do sell it.

1049superg

My '50 Pacemaker Deluxe! has its original 232 engine and it still runs fine. So there's #2 you can add to your poll of Hudsons with their original engines.

Ted W

nhp1127 wrote:

Numbers matching certainly is not relevant like the Corvette or muscle car crowd.

General Interest Item: Number Matching is a BS concept no matter what vehicle it is. Factory data is almost non-existent for engine matching and even when kept, there were many errors or exclusions. This is across board with all manufactures. People love to spend time and money looking for matching number parts for their cars in an effort to raise or maintain value. Condition is always the value holder. If you are worried about buy something that is not authentic, come over to my shop a watch me make Mustang KR500 Engine Blocks with my welder

and decking machine.:eek:

Seems to me that most Hudson enthusiasts are not too particular as to a matching number car. They are more concerned if it is correct or period correct.

This statement is absolutely correct in regard to restored cars or even well maintained daily drivers.

tigermoth

i am still standard block in my '35 terraplane. regards, tp

Aaron D. IL

Have the numbers matching 8cyl engine in my '47 C8 Sedan. In my '50 Pacemaker I have the orginal type 232 w/ OD it's from a '51 but not numbers matching. There was another thread on this forum where some expressed the view that the 262 was the best made and balanced engine of the 3 6cyl's during the step-down era. If you're using itt as a driver the 262 should suit you fine, and if you ever decide you need more pep out of it you can get a Twin H setup for a 262 and an enlarged exhaust. Smokie Yunick said increasing the breathing of the engines is the single best thing you can do if you're worried about performance.

Richard E.

I am the 2nd owner of my '50C6 sedan and the numbers match. It is a 262 and I agree that it is a great working engine. I have put 25,000 miles on it since I have had it, driven it coast to coast and it had 69,000 when I got it. The engine had been gone through at 59,000 and I am pulling it this week to "freshen" it up again.

My '36T has the original engine in it also, but the numbers didn't match in that era.

HowieF

I have a '41 Deluxe 2-door model 10P with the original 175ci. economy engine. It has the OD tranny, however the OD is not working at this time. Out on the road you know the engine is revving with the 4.11 rear end.

Huddy42

Our 1942 Hudson Brougham has all the original matching numbers, with 27,000 miles on the engine, runs like a well oiled clock. Numbered 2120819.

DaveFury

My '51 has the matching body and engine serial number.

ernie28

To me it is not a matter of value, it is just of interest.

One of my Essex's has its original engine block and I think that it is rather neat after all that time. Having the original ownership papers stating those numbers also is special.

The other car does not have the original that I am aware of and that does not matter to me at all.

Alistair

NZ

hornet53

My '53 does not have the original 308 in it right now, but, I do have the good original block sitting in my stepfathers garage. One day I'll put the original back in the car (with hydraulic lifters) and use the '55 I'm running now for a Hot Rod motor.

I'm thinking a Nash-Healy running a hot 308 with a 4-speed would be pretty cool.

Geoff C., N.Z.

My 1928 Essex is the proverbial "Grandpa's axe". Has had four handles and two heads, still the same axe he bought 75 years ago. Ive only replaced the radiator, shutters, shell, engine, gearbox, drive shaft, diff, front seats, windshield, driver's door, roof, bonnet, fuel gauge, wheels, front axle, rear axle, instrument panel, rear springs, front chassis member. Otherwise it's all original!

faustmb

My 50 Pacemaker has the original 232, just rolled 88K and runs great. My truck has a sbc which I hope to replace with w/ a 308 some day.

'47HUD

Have my parents' '51 Super-Six sedan, bought new by them in Nov., 1950still has not only it's original engine, has the original dark maroon lacquer paint also !!! 107, 000 actual miles , ALWAYS kept in garage, except on over-night road trips, NEVER driven on sloppy, salty, winter-time roads ! ! It's a 'Queen', and I don't mean 'trailer-queen', and has been treated as a 'Queen' it's entire life !!

'47HUD

minnesota

Browniepetersen

My 1936 Hudson eight still has the original engine.

Browniepetersen

My 1936 Hudson Eight still has the original engine.

37 CTS

The 37 Hudson 8 has been rebuilt and is the orgininal engine , what a nice smooth running car!!

SuperDave

My 49 Super Six has the original 262. I rebuilt a 308 to put in, but changed my mind. I love the smoothness of the 262 anyone wanna buy my rebuilt 308 ? LOL

BJ__TN

My '54 Hornet Special sedan has the original engine and trans, But, it only has 32,000 miles on it..
Bob

66patrick66

My '37 Terraplane has a late '36 casting date on the block, so I'm willing to bet it is the original block and such. It has been overhauled, though.

THEGREENHORNET

i just gave bill albright the engine that matched my 52 coupe. it was siezed and i didnt need it. im sure he will make it work.

Uncle Josh

I just refurbished the original engine in this 40 model 44 undergoing restoration. One of the half-dozen or so left.

The Commadore in the background also has it's original 36,000 mi 262.

terraplane8

My Terraplane Eight 4dr sedan has the original engine, fully re-built by the previous owner after blowing a piston by being over-revved by his young son!!

Seems to have plenty of power although I plan to install a Pat MacDonald free-flow cast-iron exhaust manifold and 2.5" exhaust system to allow it to breathe better.......plus a 3.5:1 axle ratio now that I am living in Christchurch which is flat.

Even though a 289 Ford would easily fit, much of the point of a Hudson is the charm and pleasure of the straight eight engine, for me at least.

My '36 Terraplane also will keep the original engine, but with a 112 head on top to give 100 hp or so.

Matt1950

My 1950 Super 6 Coupe still has the original 262 engine. And it runs great

Fred C

My 1949 Super Six has the original 262 in place with 80,000 miles on the current rebuild: .060 over, .010 .010 crank, stainless exhaust valves and Randy Maas timing chain - No twin H or Headers.

Happy Hudsoning

Fred

Park_W

Both our '51 Hornet ragtop and '47 C8 sedan have their original engines.

wayc4e28

My 28 Essex Super Six still has orignal engine and matching numbers.

I agree matching numbers are BS as long as the car looks and runs great who cares.

DaveFury

Wow, very many still have the original engine. Talk about Hudson quality!

dave s

Our 49 coupe, 52 convertible and 54 convertible all have original engines with matching numbers. Truck has 350 oldsmoble engine.

(If you want matching numbers, all you need is a die grinder and set of number stamps. It is easy when engine is out of car. LOL)

tombia

Lets see. My uncle replaced the original Terp 8 engine with a 36 in 1941, Then put in a 48 8 in 1955. I put in a 289 Ford in 1980 then, now it has a 34 thru 47 replacement block since 1990 and this one is firmly bolted in place for good.

Hudzilla

Well lets see. I've got a 51 Hornet sedan with a 53 complete drivetrain. The doors are not all origional to this car.Neither are: The bumpers, fenders,hood, steering wheel,chrome,paint upholstery, glass,subframe., suspension, Have I forgotten anything?. Oh yeah. It was made from contributions from 26 different Hudsons. Well lets just say it was an education putting it all back together.

MikeWA

My '48 coupe has the same '51 Twin H 308 "crate motor" the guy installed in 1952 when he customized it. Does that count? My VIN number is MN 2442- that's a tough one to match. . . lol

BTW, Hudzilla, your car has strayed so far from the Path of Righteousness that it must be destroyed immediately. Please proceed to the nearest Recycling Facility and proceed as instructed. Remove any valuables and personal items first. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

hudson1948

My 48 C8 convertible has a 49 engine in it, had a 262 when I bought it. Would love to find the original block out there #484112342. My 1950 C6 has it's original motor completley rebuilt. My 42 Deluxe 6 has a 212 in it instead of the 175.

Hudzilla

Mike (WA) wrote:

My '48 coupe has the same '51 Twin H 308 "crate motor" the guy installed in 1952 when he customized it. Does that count? My VIN number is MN 2442- that's a tough one to match. . . lol

BTW, Hudzilla, your car has strayed so far from the Path of Righteousness that it must be destroyed immediately. Please proceed to the nearest Recycling Facility and proceed as instructed. Remove any valuables and personal items first. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Mike, if they have to take and recycle my car due to it being to much of a mutt (thats where the handle Hudzilla comes from BTW) very well. But don't take ONE part that hasen't had blood, sweat or possibly bite marks on it. They way I figure it that leaves a front tire and the right rear interior doorhandle. Come to think about it it may have more DNA that I do!

46HudsonPU

Haven't checked the 'Blue Goose', but have little doubt that it is the same 212 cu in flathead that it rolled off the assembly line with.

The '39 Model 90 112 Pickup has what is left of the original 175 cu in engine. Too far gone, so it won't be going back in - but I have another 175 cu in engine from a '39 coupe that was being made into a period-correct racer by a guy in NC. He didn't want the lackluster engine in that car to race, and when I was picking up the engine, it looked like he was going to put a 308 Twin-H in it (?).
When the '39 is eventually rebuilt, it will either get the 175 cu in, or possibly the '54 232 cu in engine I got from Jim Guinn with the truck.

My tan '46 will get a modern engine or drivetrain - the plan is to make it into a resto-rod during restoration. I may follow Dave S's advise and 'whip out' a die grinder and set of number stamps, and 'adjust' the serial number on the engine... :rolleyes:

Spencer Yarrow

My 1930 Hudson Brougham & 1951 Brougham have matching numbers.

1928 Essex is a bit like Geoff Clarks Essex. I reckon it has parts from every car imported into Aust. but doesn't bother me at all.

Spencer

hudsonguy

My '49 sedan developed an ever larger crack in the #6 bore of the original block, so I replaced this with another '49 262 from a local yard. This turned out to be a later manufactured engine, which by then had some machining changes in the area between the bore and valve seats where the previous crack had developed.

4starservice

My 1949 super sedan has the original engine. Odometer says 75,000 but that is uncertain. The engine was rebuilt in about 1980 by the person who restored the car. They did a fine job and it is a smooth running engine. A nickel standing vertically on the head with the edge against the vacuum line and will stay upright at idle.

Drew Meyer

39CCl8

I am rebuilding the original engine to put back in my '39. I am driving the car with a '39 six-cylinder that was pulled out of a '39 112 that was parked in a barn during WWII, just a few miles from my house. The barn collapsed on the car soon after and there it sat for many years. That car had its original engine also.

I drove by the place recently and not a trace remains of that house or barn.

Once I get the 8 back in I will be selling the six...

royer

My Jet has a transplanted 202, but the Commodore has its original 262, rebuilt.

lmroyer

My history with Hudson has me wondering how any existing Hudson product would still have the original engine. I was driving home on the Pennsylvania Turnpike with what was to be my first Hudson, a 52 Hornet Convertible when a rod went out. I was 16 at the time. We towed the car home and it was parked and left to rot for twenty years before a restoration was begun. My parents then bought me a 53 Hornet Sedan. It was in great shape for a nine year old car. I learned a lot about auto repairs in the five years I owned that car. My father and I ended up putting in four engines before selling that car. The last one I did myself. It was just quicker and easier to replace than to rebuild in those years.

Lee

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