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what does this air cleaner fit?
  • 33tinar
    Posts: 7Hitchhiker
    Just wanted to know if anybody could indenify this oil bath air cleaner as to the year and engine model. Thanks for any help.
  • 54hudson
    Posts: 58Senior Contributor
    this one is like it but i don't know the year or if it is still original




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  • 54hudson
    Posts: 58Senior Contributor
    ok now im curious? i dont mean to pry but that is the wierdest
    air filter ive seen i mean ive seen oil bath air filters an d k@n filters
    and dry filters and metal shaveing filters wire mesh and eaven horse hair filters but what is that?!!! i recognize one half to be a oil bath
    unit but what about the drum part and where did u find sutch a interesting pice of history?


    the oil bath filter is about the coolest filter idea i have ever heard of, there is a chamber (correct me if im wrong) full of oil that grabs dust and other foren objects out of the air because the air flow
    too the engine is right across the surface of the oil and then through oil soaked horse hair or metal curls or aluminum. and the best part is you never have to replace it, just give it a good cleaning in solvent "karosine" "terpintine" (ok i think i mispelled those) replace the oil and its good to go agan. why dont we use this idea anymore ? i mean if you were to buy a cheep filter today
    it would be in a white box from? and its recycled out of car seats
    and pocket lint and the stuff you find between your toes when you wear a pair of socks too long. is this better? well it sure is cheaper.
  • Posts: 0
    If its Hudson at all I don't think its from a stepdown. Mine are similar but much shorter in length and don't have that hose connection on them. I think this is from another make of car or an earlier pre 48 Hudson?
  • Aaron D. IL
    Posts: 1,648Platinum Member
    Pretty sure it's the optional aircleaner for a Hudson 8 cylingder model... yes step-down
  • 53jetman53jetman
    Posts: 872Platinum Member
    I've been around Hudsons most of my life (since the early 40's), and have never seen this exact air cleaner under a Hudson hood. They had a similar one, but much shorter in over all length (like the red ones shown in the picture above). This one is probably from a Packard or Chrysler product.



    Jerry

    53jetman
    Jerry
    email: HudsonJetman@mail.com
    2nd Generation Hud-Nut
    HET Tech Adviser on Hudson Jets 1953 & 1954
    HET Registrar of all Hudson Jets
  • nick snick s
    Posts: 696Platinum Member
    48-51 8 cyl with drivemaster or supermatic
  • OlHudson8r
    Posts: 116Expert Adviser
    Nick S is right on. The air cleaner is just like the one on my 1950 Commodore 8 with Supermatic Drive. The only difference is mine is black and not that pretty blue of the one in question!
  • Clutch guy
    Posts: 811Platinum Member
    Nick is correct,and as pointed out,the tube on the bottom is for the Drivemaster/Supermatic option.The air for this option is supposed to be filtered,that is what the tube is for.It fits a 2 bbl.
  • James P.
    Posts: 444Platinum Member
    That's the air filter I've been loking for! Geez, I'll bet it's going to be expensive after all of this discussion! 33tinar, PM me with your price.
  • 37 CTS37 CTS
    Posts: 510Platinum Member
    This looks to me like a prop from STAR TREK,

    the Enterprise!
  • hudsonkid
    Posts: 2,298Platinum Member
    that's sort of a hard to find air filter. I think I got one, i used the base on to complete a set of twin H oil bath air cleaners. I put in paper filters, and they made a difference, too. there's a cross reference number somewhere for these.



    the 6 cylinder is different, if memory is correct, doesn't have the long tube between the canister and oil bath section
  • 33tinar
    Posts: 7Hitchhiker
    Man You Guys are GREAT! My Dad said he did not know but I got it out of the trunk of a 51 or 52 Commadore 8 that had a hornet installed years ago. He has had the commadore 8 in his back yard for about 30 years. Thanks for the help! Danny Hill
  • James P.
    Posts: 444Platinum Member
    33tinar wrote:
    Man You Guys are GREAT! My Dad said he did not know but I got it out of the trunk of a 51 or 52 Commadore 8 that had a hornet installed years ago. He has had the commadore 8 in his back yard for about 30 years. Thanks for the help! Danny Hill



    I'd be interested in buying it from you if it's not needed. I sent you a email.
  • Hudson325
    Posts: 26Greasemonkey
    So I Have A 52 Club Coupe Parts Car That Has A 308 Twin H That Has 2 Oil Bath Air Filters,so Is That The Correct Filters For That Motor.they Look Like The Ones In The Picture With The 4 Carbs.
  • Clutch guy
    Posts: 811Platinum Member
    Hudson325 wrote:
    So I Have A 52 Club Coupe Parts Car That Has A 308 Twin H That Has 2 Oil Bath Air Filters,so Is That The Correct Filters For That Motor.they Look Like The Ones In The Picture With The 4 Carbs.



    325-No,this air cleaner fits a 2 bbl carb..The oil bath option for Twin-H looks almost identical ,but has a smaller carb.diameter.This is much larger. What mounting bracket does your car have to mount them to the block?. I have seen a couple of different types.
  • ralpie
    Posts: 1,066Platinum Member
    Well the fellow is now selling the aircleaner on eBay...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HUDSON-1948-49-50-51-COMMODORE-8-AIR-CLEANER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34198QQihZ013QQitemZ230241135622QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

    I think the cleaner looks more like a BUICK 8 cleaner... 46-48 ...

  • hudsonkid
    Posts: 2,298Platinum Member
    read the description, it is listed as fitting an automatic. While I guess in a general sense of things, this is partly correct, I doubt it is a correct aircleaner for a 51-52 equipped hydramatic car. Probably to be fully correct, you would still need to say the cut off is 48-50 supermatic/drivemaster, right?
  • Clutch guy
    Posts: 811Platinum Member
    HK is correct.I think that the seller didn't really describe it properly-left out that it is dented badly around the silencer can,also should show the carbs that he mentioned as part of the deal. Some may also argue that you could still get Supermatic in '51,but I've never seen one. This also needs to have the bracket that goes with it. It uses bolts[or a double studded special bolt] that secures the water jacket to the block,that the bracket mounts to. If you have a pattern,the bracket would be very easy to make.
  • nick snick s
    Posts: 696Platinum Member
    Clutch guy wrote:
    HK is correct.I think that the seller didn't really describe it properly-left out that it is dented badly around the silencer can,also should show the carbs that he mentioned as part of the deal. Some may also argue that you could still get Supermatic in '51,but I've never seen one. This also needs to have the bracket that goes with it. It uses bolts[or a double studded special bolt] that secures the water jacket to the block,that the bracket mounts to. If you have a pattern,the bracket would be very easy to make.
    The way I understand it, pacemakers and supers were excluded from the hydramatic offering in 51. I have seen a 51 pacemaker with drivemaster and a guy a few miles down the road from me has a 51 super brougham with drivemaster.
  • Harry HillHarry Hill
    Posts: 1,303Platinum Member
    This whole thread makes me feel like the guy just used to group to get enough info to list his air cleaner on ebay. I guess that's okay but I feel like the forum members were exploited somehow. No big deal really I just felt the members were trying to help someone get his Hudson original when in reality they were being used to get information for a sale of something that is being misrepresented to some extent.



    Harry
  • hudsonkid
    Posts: 2,298Platinum Member
    nick s wrote:
    The way I understand it, pacemakers and supers were excluded from the hydramatic offering in 51. I have seen a 51 pacemaker with drivemaster and a guy a few miles down the road from me has a 51 super brougham with drivemaster.



    I've seen a 51 pacemaker coupe with hydramatic....
  • hudsonkid
    Posts: 2,298Platinum Member
    Harry Hill wrote:
    This whole thread makes me feel like the guy just used to group to get enough info to list his air cleaner on ebay. I guess that's okay but I feel like the forum members were exploited somehow. No big deal really I just felt the members were trying to help someone get his Hudson original when in reality they were being used to get information for a sale of something that is being misrepresented to some extent.



    Harry



    I felt it was more like mining the group for information, but hey, you know what? in the end, it may end up in the hands of someone that needs this aircleaner. In the end, it's all cool. I wish he would have listed it more correctly, but if nothing else, he's making a hard to find part available.
  • 53jetman53jetman
    Posts: 872Platinum Member
    Initially, Hydramatic was not available on the '51 Pacemaker & Super series, but along about mid-year it was made available to all series, and SuperMatic was discontinued.



    Jerry

    53jetman
    Jerry
    email: HudsonJetman@mail.com
    2nd Generation Hud-Nut
    HET Tech Adviser on Hudson Jets 1953 & 1954
    HET Registrar of all Hudson Jets
  • Clutch guy
    Posts: 811Platinum Member
    Well,there ya go. Nick has seen one,and I'm sure it is ultra rare. I sure didn't mean they because I hadn't seen one that they didn't exist !! It is about like the A/c I have read about recently in the Forum,offered on Step-downs,or P/S offered on anything except a '54. It's what's so cool about the Classicar forum. Some of the threads and conversations are priceless pieces of history that are shared with the WORLD.!!:cool:
  • 33tinar
    Posts: 7Hitchhiker
    I am sorry some of you felt exploited for me trying to get the correct information to post this air cleaner for sale on Ebay. I guess next time I can list it just as a antique air cleaner and very few of you will ever know it was for sale. If I misrepresented this air cleaner some way please feel free to explain. I stated there was rust and dents, (I took a pic of the (badly dented )spot so you could plainly see it.(CLUTCH GUY) Actually I think that dent could be popped out. As far as stating it was for an automatic, I thought it was. The funny part of this is that I thought I would ask the experts on their website for some information and I get criticized for trying to profit from something that was on its way to the CITY DUMP, to never be seen again! The carburetors,
    it was an after thought--- while listing the air cleaner on Ebay, I thought somebody might be interested in the 2or3 old carbs that were in the rusted down trunk where I had found the air cleaner. So I went back and dug them out of the trash can thinking that who ever needed the air cleaner might want the carbs. If your interested in buying the air cleaner than that is all you are bidding on. Ebay has raised the prices on nearly everthing but it has made everthing available for you to buy if you can afford it. I have two teenage son's and I have two car projects going on at one time. We are trying to raise some money to pay for our projects just like you guys sometime have to raise funds or save your money to fund your projects.Danny Hill
  • Hudson325
    Posts: 26Greasemonkey
    Clutch Guy,thanks For Responding.there Is A Bracket That Comes Out From Behind The Oil Filter That Comes To A T That Appears To Fit Underneath The Bowl Under Each Air Cleaner.the Air Cleaners Fit On The 2 Carbs Fine & Seem To Fit On This Bracket.these Were In The Trunk Along With Another Air Filter That Looks The Same But Has A Longer Neck That Would Go Do To The Carb.my Dad's 54 Twin-h Has A Different Filter,i Guess Not Oil Bath.would Oil Bath Be Correct For 52 Club Coupe?thanks 325
  • 33tinar
    Posts: 7Hitchhiker
    No Comments?
  • hudsonkid
    Posts: 2,298Platinum Member
    Well, I think you said plenty. I think that while, you listed it a bit off, I can't fault you for asking the group about it. I guess the only thing you might have done different, is perhaps said at the get go, that this thing is going to be put up for sale, when properly identified.



    As far as your auction listing, here's what's wrong...



    1) it is not for an automatic, it is actually for a car equipped with a stick overdrive transmission, that had an option, from the factory, that vacuum shifted the clutch thru a complex system. And specifically, this air cleaner is for an 8 cylinder variant.



    2) That is not the original paint. It should have been black.



    3) I think most specific, it should be listed for a 1948-1950 model year hudson, 8 cylinder, and while 1951 may be "correct" I doubt it.



    I think the condition is fine. While dents on these, especially on the silencer canister (the bigger tube) suck, they can be fixed. I found using the (blue corral brand) self dent puller, the one that uses small discs you hot glue on to the surface, then have this wing affair that will pull dents, works real well. Let's face it, this one is saveable, and If I was looking, I think the price is fair.



    In closing, don't blame these guys on here, I can see both sides of this argument, but really I guess I appreciate the fact you made it available, to the hudson community.



    Take care, good luck with your auction, and yeah... can eBay get any greedier? wow....
  • 51hornetA51hornetA
    Posts: 2,338Platinum Member
    Why didn't you just offer it for sale here. These go for anywhere up to $100 depending on condition. I bought 4 in a box for $20 had to clean and repair for that. Here is your Hudson audience right here. I see you even had an offer here.
    www.hudsonmotorcar.org
  • 33tinar
    Posts: 7Hitchhiker
    Thank you for your comments. I was listing other things on Ebay and just didn't think about listing it here. You are right, this would of been the best place. I did not intend to offend anyone with my 1st question about the air cleaner. I hope in the end, someone will end up with it, that really needs it.Thank you. Danny::)
  • James P.
    Posts: 444Platinum Member
    Do any others of you have one of these for sale (perhaps with fewer dents)? Also, I'm looking for an eight cylinder Supermatic (Drivemaster) mounting (to engine) bracket. I have a six cylinder one to trade if someone wants it.
  • Harry HillHarry Hill
    Posts: 1,303Platinum Member
    Sure Danny, you could have said hey guys, I found this air cleaner I plan on selling on ebay and don't know what it is. Be right up front, there isn't any shame in it.



    Harry
  • Clutch guy
    Posts: 811Platinum Member
    Harry Hill wrote:
    Sure Danny, you could have said hey guys, I found this air cleaner I plan on selling on ebay and don't know what it is. Be right up front, there isn't any shame in it.



    Harry



    Thank you Harry,this is my point exactly. Just being honest on your intention was all it took.We would still have done all the same identification for you.James P.,how many of the Drivemaster parts do you need.I guess I have collected alot of it. PM or email me if you interested.
  • tattoomantattooman
    Posts: 58Senior Contributor
    Knowledge is worthless unless you're willing to share it. In my 30 plus years of Hudson related interests, I've always appreciated Hudson folks and their generosity and willingness to share information. Especially in regards to anything (cars, parts, literature, mechanical advice, stories, etc) Hudson related. It's sad to think that a response to a question might be conditional. That without knowing WHY someone is asking a question, potential information might not be passed along freely, so that you won't feel used or taken advantage of. What should it matter why someone needs help identifying a part? I think that exchanging information and freely sharing knowledge is one reason why this Hudson forum has thousands more posts/responses than the other makes. Look how many people got involved and put their thinking caps on about this air cleaner.... I don't have one myself and I don't need one, but I found the information really interesting. Great cars and great people, that's what it's all about. What more could we ask for?

    Just my humble opinion.

    Aaron
  • Harry HillHarry Hill
    Posts: 1,303Platinum Member
    Aaron, I don't think anything is conditional. I do think being honest about your intentions is always the best policy. If he would have said he planned on selling the aircleaner he probably would have gotten offers from here,He already had an offer or at least a request as to whether he wished to sell it. So he knew there was interest here. I can't guess his motives for not considering offers from those who were helping him. The information he received was given without reservation and he is free to profit from it. I just felt he should have been upfront about why he wanted to know.



    Harry
  • James P.
    Posts: 444Platinum Member
    Oh well, it's mine now. I still need a Supermatic (Drivemaster) mounting bracket to fit an eight cylinder. Anyone?
  • Harry HillHarry Hill
    Posts: 1,303Platinum Member
    James, I'm glad a member got it. How was the Supermatic different than the Hydramatic? It was hard enough to find someone to work on the Hydramatic, I got lucky and found an old Hydro expert who had a good selection of parts, what have you found in Supermatic experts?



    Harry
  • hudsonkid
    Posts: 2,298Platinum Member
    I thought it was bought right. I don't think the dents are going to be a problem. I keep thinking I could get into restoring these, If I got a bit better at it, but don't think there is demand for it. I got two more sets of twin H oil bath cleaners to do, and a set of paper filter ones, to finish. Then I can start of the 2 barrel 50 air cleaner I got.
  • Clutch guy
    Posts: 811Platinum Member
    James P.,how many of the Drivemaster parts do you need.I guess I have collected alot of it. PM or email me if you interested.



    I guess he's not interested??:confused:
  • James P.
    Posts: 444Platinum Member
    Clutch guy wrote:
    James P.,how many of the Drivemaster parts do you need.I guess I have collected alot of it. PM or email me if you interested.



    I guess he's not interested??:confused:

    I sent you an email several days ago. I was a little disappointed not to hear back from you. It's clear now that you never got it. I'll send you a PM this time. I'm very grateful for your offer of help!
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