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Smog - Should it Apply?
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The California Legislature is again shuffling the cards on older vehicles in regard to emissions testing. After passing a rolling 30 year SMOG exemption in the late 90’s, that bill was amended to freeze the exemption to 1976 and older cars. Now, the new plan is to lift the exemption on all years and require emissions on vehicles produced as far back as 1889. To make things interesting, part of the revenue from this program will go to crush cars. Let us know what you think….
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I think the government should make the oil companies adhere to the same laws as everyone else. No more buying exemptions by crushing everything in sight, and lets let the foreign automakers start helping all the people whos jobs they've displaced.
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It would seem that the danger is past -- read this article from the SEMA Action Network, a group that monitors legislation on a local and national level which is potentially harmful to the antique (and hotrod) hobby: http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62246
I say "would seem" because the SAN people have thoughtfully left the article undated. It might announce victory in an earlier legislative rollback. And the wolves may even now be knocking at the door (do wolves actually knock or do they use the bell?).
Okay, here is the full story (apparently it was released today; I still don't know why they released the undated story earlier...)
California Emissions Testing Bill Dead For the Year
Enthusiasts Rally to Defeat Legislation Requiring Annual Smog Check
In a major victory for enthusiasts in California, the Senate Appropriations Committee rejected SAN-opposed legislation (AB 616) that threatened to require annual smog-check inspections for vehicles 15 years old and older. After having been previously approved by the full California Assembly and the Senate Transportation Committee, the bill is dead for the year.
“Car clubs and individual hobbyists across the state loudly and forcefully objected to passage of this bill,†said SEMA Vice President of Government Affairs Steve McDonald. “Ultimately, the lawmakers in Sacramento heard their message.â€
Through thousands of phone calls and e-mails, SAN members were able to convince committee members that these vehicles constitute a small portion of the overall vehicle population and are a poor source from which to look for emissions reduction.
In correspondence to his constituents, Senator Dave Cox expressed his opposition to the bill, “I have not yet seen any evidence that 15-year-old vehicles pollute our air substantially more than 14-year-old vehicles. Declaring all vehicles 15 years or older are guilty of being gross polluters without any empirical data is backwards and does not reflect the spirit of the law.â€
Of additional concern to the enthusiast community were provisions in the bill that would have required that funds generated through the additional inspection fees be deposited into an account which could be used to scrap older cars. “We are especially indebted to those legislators who opposed the bill because it would have placed an undue burden upon car owners simply because their vehicle is older than an arbitrary date set in law,†McDonald added.
The SAN would like to thank the countless individuals and car clubs whose dedication and persistence in contacting lawmakers in Sacramento as this bill moved through the legislative process. Special thanks to the Association of California Car Clubs for the coordinated effort by their member clubs in opposing this bill. -
The problem is these ill-conceived bills keep coming back again and again, just like herpes!:eek: They keep wanting to wear the public down time and again, and if possible, passing a bill in the wee hours of the night, hoping no one will notice. Vigilance and vocal dissent by the constituents is MANDATORY! Complacency will get you crap you DON'T want to see!"The time has come", the Walrus said, "to speak of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot,
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What percentage of the country's vehical fleet is pre-1976 anyway?
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Hi, I live in Idaho, tried to purchase a couple of ex-school rigs from a school district in California. Because they WERE NOT SMOGED, they were going to have to trailered at least as far as the state line. One was a 1988 Ford Ranger, the other was a 1993 Ford Aerostar van. They were listed on E-Bay. Steve
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The CA legislature can spew all they want about reducing emissions but the real deal here is money and it isn't to scrap cars (though a couple of pennies out of each dollar will have to go that direction I'm sure in order to help them feel better about themselves in the mornings).
This type of legislature is really all about money and how the state can generate more of it. I'd be willing to bet that if this does ever pass they'll go back to allowing waivers after three successive failures for vehicles manufactured before 1973 (or whenever they decide). In so doing, they will appear to be tougher on emissions control but in truth, all they did was collect money from the citizen three times.
We need to do everything in our power to fight these kinds of bills and make sure that we do not allow the people responsible to be re-elected! Write to your legislators and let them know that your voice will be heard next election! -
All of this really goes to demonstrate how much the Californian Soviet Socialist Republic is truly a de facto Communist country and not actually part of the United States. I was reading Jim Richardson's letter column in the new April '08 issue of Hemmings Classic Car where he laments that in his Southern California community where 30 and even 15 years ago, one could wash one's car out in the front yard or do major repairs right in the driveway, now one would be heavily fined for doing such a thing today. In fact, he says one can't even work on one's car in the garage, but he does it anyway. In this same community, one cannot have the garage open for any more length of time than it takes to get the car in or out, and parking your own car in your own driveway for more than a few minutes is ILLEGAL. This is the kind of totalitarian state that Commiefornia has become; the tip of the iceberg, really. God help us if these "people" impose their ideological coprophilia upon the rest of this nation... :mad:
My heart goes out to all the ordinary, regular folks who have the misfortune to live (if one can call it living!) in Commiefornia, who own or do anything that has been labeled "controversial" and "politically incorrect," whether it is vintage automobiles, 2-stroke engines, firearms, or whatever. You are NOT evil. You are normal. It is those who make and impose your laws who are evil in their relentless efforts to make the world over in THEIR image."Problems are merely opportunities in workclothes." -Henry J. Kaiser -
:mad:, as introduced, Florez. Smog check program: San Joaquin
Valley Unified Air Pollution Control District.
(1) Existing law establishes a motor vehicle inspection and
maintenance program (smog check), administered by the Department of
Consumer Affairs that provides for the inspection of all motor
vehicles, except those exempted from the program, upon registration,
biennially upon renewal of registration, upon transfer of ownership,
and in certain other circumstances. Motor vehicles manufactured prior
to the 1976 model-year are exempt from smog check requirements, as
provided.
This bill would exclude from this exemption those motor vehicles
registered by a new owner at an address within the boundaries of the
San Joaquin Valley Unified Air Pollution Control District on or after
January 1, 2009.
(2) Because violations by owners of motor vehicles currently
exempt from the smog check requirements would be a crime, the bill
would impose a state-mandated local program.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local
agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the
state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that
reimbursement.
This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this
act for a specified reason.
(3) This bill would make findings and declarations regarding the
inapplicability of a general statute within the meaning of Section 16
of the California Constitution.
Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: yes.
State-mandated local program: yes.
