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Good Engine Stand for Hudson Engines - Recommendations?
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Have one of the HarborFreight engine stands (claims 1000 lbs), however am not comfortable hanging my 232 from it...
Any experience, thoughts, recommendations, etc..? -
You might contact Ed Moore in Massachusetts. He inherited an awful lot of dealer parts from his father, and among them were several engine stands custom made for Hudsons, I believe. I might have got this wrong, but you might contact him anyway. Don't have his e-mail address handy; check the HET roster.
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Thanks Jon - I'll might do that. What I really need is a stand that will safely support the inline six (a lot more weight hanging 'out there' than a V8) and also allow me to rotate the engine 360 degrees (or at least 180...).
A lot of folks in the forum rebuild their engines, was wondering what they use to get the job done. -
Rick,
I have two stands a 1000 Ib and a 1500 Ib stand I have 308's on both and they work fine. I paid $100 for each of them and they hold a 308 no problem. They are the two leg in front type and hold and rotate a straight 6 with no problems I can see. When I am not working on the engines I have a prop I use that I put across the legs and under the front of the engine. Just to be safe. Other than that any good engine stand will do the trick. Error on bigger not cheaper.www.hudsonmotorcar.org -
I agree - the 1000 lbs capacity stand is pretty flimsy with a 308 on it, but it does work. I used a support at the front of the engine that strattled the front legs and set it up so that it would work when its rotated. With the support, it is fine. Just be carefull when the support is removed and when you are rotating the engine. If you did not have the stand already, I would recommend a heavy duty one, but you should be able to use yours with a support and a little care.
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You should have no problems with the cheaper stand. I have one from Harbour Freight and it is plently strong. I have had a Hudson 6 on it, fully dressed with all parts, and it is fine.
I have seen big block Ford V-8's on them, with all accessores, which weigh, according to the factory, about 750 pounds, much more weight than the Hudson six which weighs in the 500 pound range. IMHO, that cancels out the length of the six concern.
Remember that when manufacturers advertise the capacity of something such as this, they under-state it to a degree. This is because, if the stand is advertised at 1000 pounds, and would collapse at 1001 pounds, they would get sued. So there is a safety cushion factor built in to their numbers.
Whatever type of stand you use, there are two important considerations:
First, bolt it very securely to the stand. I used brand new Grade 8 bolts from a industrial bolt supplier (not the Hardware store).
Second, if you try to turn the engine past vertical (as it sits in the car), keep in mind that it is not centered on the axis of the rotating part of the stand. Much more weight is on the top. Therefore, when turning, once the weight gets to one side, it will flip around with great force.
Therefore, when turning the engine, I tied a sling to some part of it (can't remember what) and tied the other end to a rafter in the garage, with a come-along between. -
If anyone's interested, most of your V8s run 600-700 lbs fully dressed, I know a Pontiac is around 650 lbs for instance (and they're all the same block so it doesn't matter if it's a '55 287 or a '76 455). If a Hudson is 500 lbs, it should be fine on the stand; if you're concerned add a gussett on the bottom and use a piece to support the front when you're not working on it, as posted above.
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i have a 900lb stand and it looked pretty sad the instant i let it take the weight, i straightend it out and reassembled it then tack welded each bolted joint so it wouldn't settle in the holes again
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I have a 27 year old HF equivalent tripod-style 750lb similar to this
It holds any motor ok - but the big issue with this style and design is moving the darn thing around or turning the motor over it's not the greatest and I actually have dumped my 454 over and bent up the lower pulley - TG nothing else bad happened.
Right now my engine is back in the car for fitting purposes and I'll be spending the extra 50.00-60.00 to get a 2ton like this one - it might be double the cost - but who wants to take the chance of dumping their finished motor over to save a couple of bucks - not me anymore! 1x is enough!
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I agree with Dan- I have the top type (from his post), and its fine for weight of the engine, but turning the engine or moving it around is an adventure. As far as moving it, I just don't. Turning is almost a two man job, if its a heavy engine- someone needs to support the weight by lifting the front of the engine and reacting as the weight shifts, as your assistant SLOWLY backs off the jam nut that holds it. Try to center the engine as best you can when you bolt it up, and it will be less of a problem. Of course, you'll have the same problem turning the engine with either type of stand, but at least you'll be less likely to dump the whole shebang with the heavier, two legged stand.
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I bought two engine stands from costco.com one was the Larin Mobile Engine Testing Station but you cant rotate the engine on that one. The second was a Torin Chrome Plated Engine Stand and it holds up 1500 pounds. Free shipping to my door on both products and its from costco so you can return it anytime for a refund if you are not satisfied. Both of these were more expensive at costco than most places I found but I live in Washington and there is no other company with a more liberal return policy around. I know Harbour Freight is cheap but ever break anything 6 months later and try to return it, their customer service could use some help. Thats just my young hate to go to a store and shop for something, internet addicted shopping mentality though.
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I'd recommend using a 1500 lb stand with an 'H' shaped base, rather than a 'T' shape. It will be a much more stable stand. When using that type rebuilding my 262, I was able to rotate it myself, as well as move it around the shop. That big six block is heavier than most V8 blocks, and it's the extra length you have to be careful about when using engine stands. Just my .02
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Dan & Rambo are correct - I build four or five Hudson engines a year and the two ton engine stand is well worth the money when it comes to safety working on a fully dressed motor. If you use a 900 - 1000 LB tripod stand you are just asking for trouble.
Fred -
1k capacity is more than adequate its the leg config that matters. I have the two leg out in front models that are stable. I have rotated my 308's many times no problem. I would not try that with a T leg model as the engine rotated that config would be off balance.www.hudsonmotorcar.org
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Thus far, all you folks have come up with some great recommendations & advise. My current stand is an "H" style, with wheels on each leg of the H.
I put it together, but neglected to grease the rotation point where the engine would rotate - and it doesn't want to move with the engine's weight on it. Not a biggie, I'll just get the weight off, grease it & try again - but I don't think it will be a 'piece of cake' (wish it had some type of bearings...).
As soon as I have the extra cash (or find a good deal), I'm going to get a heavier-duty model - just for my peace of mind.
Lew - I recall the type of engine stand you are thinking of, but haven't seen one in at least 20 years... -
Finally found a picture of my stand -
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I have the same one as Rick's from Harbor Freight. You have to move it carefully. I cannot turn my motor by myself as it is top heavy (its the complete motor w/ all assec.). I couldn't get a good angle when I was pulling it off the pallet, so I had to use the hoist to turn the motor properly upright. It will work, just have to be carefully moving it around.
Will buy the 2K lb capacity one next time. -
rambos_ride wrote:I have a 27 year old HF equivalent tripod-style 750lb similar to this
It holds any motor ok - but the big issue with this style and design is moving the darn thing around or turning the motor over it's not the greatest and I actually have dumped my 454 over and bent up the lower pulley - TG nothing else bad happened.
Right now my engine is back in the car for fitting purposes and I'll be spending the extra 50.00-60.00 to get a 2ton like this one - it might be double the cost - but who wants to take the chance of dumping their finished motor over to save a couple of bucks - not me anymore! 1x is enough!
I was at the local Harbor Freight This afternoon, the bottom stand pictured rated at 2000 lb is on sale at the store for $89.99. I do not know if it only the Youngstown Oh store or a company wide sale. -
Geared engine stand -
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