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Trevor J

I see there is a very tidy Hudson 8 coupe for sale on Ebay. $59,000 seems a lot of money. The owner makes claims to the effect that there are only a few known to be left. Are there so few or is the seller talking it up.

Uncle Josh

Probably, I have a 40 eight coupe and there are only half a dozen or so of those left.

hudsontech

I've been in HET for near 45 years and I don't recall ever seeing a 1937 Hudson 8 coupe .

Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN

RL Chilton

Trevor-

I'd say yes and no to your question. With a few exceptions, there aren't more than a half-a-dozen or so of most models. Some less, some more, of course. (Probably less on the 37H8Cpe).

Consider this: There are approximately 10000 or so Hudsons left. Out of those, about 60% are Step-Downs ('48-54). That leaves 4000 cars over a 41 year span. Of those years, 1909-1947, the newest of those cars are going to be the most plentiful and typically, will get rarer as the year in question becomes earlier (with a few exceptions like 1933).

Another example: In 1938, there were 56 models available and 16 different commercial models. How many of those models do you think even still exist, or better yet, how many no longer exist?

So, back to your original question, yes, it's pretty rare! But they all are.

Also, an opinion: 59K is a little high in today's market for a coupe. Will the car eventually, if not now, be worth that much? Of course it will. And it is a very nice, clean car, and one anyone would be proud to own.

46HudsonPU

For those looking, here's the link to the eBay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1937-Hudson-Business-Coupe-V8-/150998904537?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item23283c6ed9

Here are many additional photos of the car -
http://www.classicinvestmentcars.com/inventory/77/1937_hudson_business_coupe_v8.htm

This is a very, very nice car.
However, can someone who has a 'better eye' than me look at the pictures of the undercarriage? I would swear that it is a standard 3-speed, without any OD.

Park_W

Maybe he's calling the changeout of rear end gearing an overdrive! I surely don't see one, but there are no good shots of that area.

46HudsonPU

Hi Park - I don't see any good, direct photos of the transmission either.

But there are several photos of the 'X' area, and the transmission doesn't come anywhere close to it.
The OD transmissions are VERY much longer than a standard transmission - and the only way for it to go is back, toward the 'X' - so much so, that it would/should be very evident.
I recall looking at a friend's modification to put an OD in to his '39 112 coupe, and it even required some minor modification (cutting) of some of 'X', in order for the OD solenoid to 'fit'.

Here are a couple of the 'best' photos showing the transmission -

And, I don't think it is the original restorer doing the selling - this seller appears to be a third party contracted to sell the car, or a re-seller... Hence, the reason for what some consider excessive/inflated pricing.

46HudsonPU

And - On a side note: What year did Hudson introduce the 3-speed O/D transmission?

RL Chilton

Rick-

I believe 1940 was the first year for an OD option. Doesn't appear to have an OD on this car. Perhaps park is right and they swapped out the rear end for a higher set of gears and are considering this "Overdrive".

oldhudsons

I agree with CL, think his "Howy Gears" translates to "highway gears" such as let's say a 3.41 rear end ratio.
Yes, '40 1st year Hudson offered O.D.

Ol racer

FYI
I hope it does sell for near what their asking since I have an identical Yr & Model that im finishing with a Hornet Mtr.....

Huddy42

Looks like a beautiful cosmetic restoration, undercarriage leaves a lot to be desired unless it is a very old restoration looking at the amount of grease etc, that definately is a normal transmission.(no overdrive), and why use a hot dog muffler. Do the horn wires usually go through the grill as these do.??

All in all, would not knock it back if parked in my garage.

ESSX28-1

Original rear end claimed

Geoff C., N.Z.

It has a hypoid diffy, so it is most likely from a '48-'52 era car, as it also has the welded cover. Not what I would call and "overdrive", but most likely a higher ratio than original

parkerm

Guys,

Regarding the numbers of Hudson cars that are around RL said: Consider this: There are approximately 10,000 or so Hudsons left. Out of those, about 60% are Step-Downs ('48-54). That leaves 4000 cars over a 41 year span.

I assume that means my 1940 Super Six 2 door sedan is also kinda rare. Does the HET club have a listing of how many of each model are registered in the club or is the gathering of that information part of the initiative to register our cars with the club?

I enjoy these conversations.
Thanks
Marvin

Kevin C.

Was the cut-out on the bottom plate of the x-frame a result of the differential change?

Kevin C.

commodorecollector

Russel,
I am wondering the same thing (about approx. 10k Hudson's left).
thanks,
Christopher.

hudsontech

There's a thin line between "rare" and "scarce" For example what would one classify a Hudson Italia as - rare or scarce?? It's interesting that a little more than 3/4' s of the 26 known to have been built still survive. And then there's the Hudson Jet Convertible - 100% of those survive since only one was built and that was restored. Same applies to the 1910 Model 20. Again rare because very few of the 4000 built survive - but maybe scarce. I think you can use the two terms interchageably.

IMHO I don't think Russells figures are to far off.

Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN

RL Chilton

We've been through these #'s before, but I wouldn't know where to go to find the old posts.

Marvin-
Yes, your car is rare. But let me re-iterate: They're ALL rare. There's probably not more than 1/2-dozen 1940 2 dr. sedans left, possibly less. 2DR Sedans were a rare body style to begin with, in most any year.

Personally, I keep track of as many Hudson Convertibles that I can, at least back to the beginning of the Terraplanes, through the end of line.

Christopher-
Sent you a PM.

Kevin C.-
That was my thought, as well.

Lastly, several years ago, someone (might have been Matt Faust?) went to the trouble of making a spread sheet with all the cars in the Roster listed. If you wanted to go and see how many 1940 2DR Sedans were listed, you could find out by perusing the chart. Then you had to figure in approximately how many were still existing, but not listed in the Roster. For example, in the last Roster there were 13 1952HHCv's listed. I have since located 22, possibly 23 (meaning 9 or 10 more). That's not a great example, as there are quite a few more out there not listed in the Roster than is typical.

I am waiting until the new Roster comes out, and I was going to attempt to create a new list.

Jon B

Russell, Matt's spreadsheet wouldn't happen to have had the file name "Year" would it? Maybe 10-15 years ago I was e-mailed an Excel (or other) spreadsheet file with about 5,000 Hudsons listed by serial number and year. I've always wondered who put that together!

RL Chilton

Jon-

I believe it was called "Hudson Stats". I found mine earlier.

faustmb

I didn't put that spreadsheet together, but I remember seeing it.

Marvin - yes, an initiative of the HET club is to get a better understanding of the models still in existence. The new website features a searchable database so you can search by model, vin, etc. I thought it was very cool that in reading old WTNs, it was pretty big news every time a new roster was built for a particular year/model. I would guess in most cases, 40- 50% of the cars that exist are not in the club? You can also resister you car without being in the club, to help make those statistics more accurate.

I remember when the 33 Terraplane roster was still pretty young (early 80s)? There were only a handful of T8 Deluxe KT sedans, now that number has doubled or tripled I think...

Jon B

The Club has a large number of people who maintain registries of various years, models and body styles.

I once had a friendly debate with an H-E-T official who felt this was unneccessary; he said that the Club roster automatically lists all the Hudsons owned by its members, so why bother to enlist the help of a squadron of registrars. My point was that, because these registrars makes it a personal point of pride in keeping their lists up to date, they will put extra effort into searching out cars for that list. They won't simply rely on data from H-E-T members, they'll collect it from non-members as well. Often, those registry keepers will enlist the help of fellow Hudson owners to ferret out Hudsons at local meets, cars in barns, private collections, "the back 40". Even cars that no longer exist (which is helpful if someone wants to know the fate of his old Hudson, even if it was junked).

The data that's collected by individual roster keepers can then be added to the Club's overall lists of Hudsons. The point is, our goal is to find out how many of what type of Hudsons are still "out there", not just which are in the Club. So, I think that -- even though it's invaluable to have master rosters electronically compiled from membership lists -- we still need individuals to supplement the master roster by maintaining and building their own lists.

I should mention that Robbie Williams' "1937" registry has at least 500 cars on it (I think!) and Charlie Woodruff's "1951" registry has (again, I believe) maybe 700 or more cars listed! These registry keepers are really motivated to build these lists and keep them up to date. Anyone who hasn't yet contacted the registry keeper for his / her particular Hudson, ought to do so and help increase our knowledge of "what's left out there".

barrysweet52

I found the 10,000 statistic interesting. I had a quick look through old lists of Hudson/Essex cars in South Australia/Victoria/New South Wales and there were approx 400 Hudson/Essex cars, not including the many in Queensland and the other states of Australia. Also not including Ramber, Railton and Nash cars. I remember an amazing turnout for the centenary rally in New Zealand. As mentioned not all HET car owners are members of HET clubs. Barry

Uncle Josh

As the truck registrar, I provide a service that the membership chair just doesn't have time for. I got my initial list and get updated from the membership list every few months.

I get requests about whether trucks are in the registry, how many of which type are listed, and provide lists of other truck owners in their area that they can call for help.

If people are looking for a truck, which truck owners have dropped out of the club and may have a truck for sale. By sorting the data base (Excell) in different ways, I can spot errors in model and/or serial numbers. I can also track previous owners by serial number.

Because I rebuilt my engine and re-assembled my truck from a proverbial bushel basket, and drive it regularly and am working on another, I can provide specific answers, ie what will you have to do to clearances, drive shafts, motor mounts, radiators etc to make an overdrive or replacement Hudson motor fit.

parkerm

I sent Sam Jackson all the information I had on my car. Sam is in charge of all 1940 models going into the registry. Sam has told me that mine will be listed there. I don't know how long it will take for Sam to add the information but I look forward to being able to find my car in the listing. Though I only own one Hudson I am always on the look out for Hudson's listed for sale or when I see one being driven. It doesn't take more than one Hudson to make me a Hud-nut.

Marvin

Nevada Hudson

Pete, Danny Zimmerman had a '37 8 coupe . Sold it about 7 years ago.

rmcfhudson

I have a 37 8 Coupe also in CA.

Ron

53jetman

There is a '37 eight coupe in NE Ohio, owned by Joe Gleydura

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