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onerare39

I went into my local bank in Spring Hill, Kansas and saw an incredible poster on the wall and these little flyers on the counter. They are going to get back to me regarding where I can purchase a new Hudson. I am going to take my 1950 Pacemaker through the drive-through to see if they notice the similarities, and see if they will give me the poster when they are done with it.

Pacemaker500

Help me identify the car in the poster. Because it has the little trim fins over the headlights - it is a Commadore and not a Pacemaker, correct?

BTW, tell the bank that I would be willing to purchase two new Hudsons using a loan from their bank if they have the dealership lined up ready to sell.

RL Chilton

How cool is that? Forget the new Hudson, John. I want to move to Kansas and open up a a distributorship! I'll bet I could sell a few Hudsons!

cpr3333

Nice! I wonder if it's all new or if they brought back a design from the past.

To answer the identification question, correct me if I'm wrong, but I see a 1948 or 49 Commodore. I don't know how to tell a 48 from a 49 - is there a way?

Like you said, trim over the headlights indicate a Commodore - without would be a Super.

It can't be a Pacemaker because they weren't built until 1950 and a 50 would have the upside down V in the grille.

hudsontech

It's either a 1948 or 1949 (grille) - hard to determine anything more than that.

Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN

Tallent R

No from the photo you cant tell 48 from 49. The only outside trim change was the splice in drivers door stainless surround piece. 48 was spliced over the vent window if I recall and the 49 in the straight place over the rollup window.

Pacemaker500

CPR333, I see you have a Pacemaker Deluxe Brougham. I have a 4-dr Deluxe. What makes your's a Brougham?

Next, did the 50 Commodore still have the straight grills? And what were the engine options for these cars? Commodore & Super that is?

Fred

Brougm is a 2dr sedan (not Coup). 50 Commodore had upside down v in grill. I believe pacemaker is 232 ci six, Super is 262 ci six or 254 ci eight and same for commodore.
Fred

Tallent R

There were also some "Super 8's" with the 254 ,not as many as the 6 (262)
Roger

Pacemaker500

OK. So what is the difference between a Brougham and Coupe?

So in 50, the Commodore had the same grill as the Pacemaker? And it is the longer chassis as well, correct?

Tallent R

A "Brougham" has the same shape body as the four door -a fast back style only in two door form.The Broughham is also sometimes called a two door sedan.
The "Coupe" has the turtle shell look with the longer looking trunk and of course is two doors.
In 1950 there were no Pacemakers yet , they came out the next year,
Roger

Tallent R

Here you can see the differance in profile the one on the right is the Brougham
Roger

hudsontech

Roger, 1950 saw two Pacemaker models - Series 500 Pacemaker and Series 50A Pacemaker DeLuxe.

According to the figures I have there were 39,455 Series 500 and 22,297 Series 50A produced between Sept 1949 and Aug. 1950.

Hudsonly,
Alex Bur
Memphis, TN

Browniepetersen

Yes, I want one of those Brougham's... Any year will work but my bucket list has it as a 54. Just have to sell something first...

hoggyrubber

i saw the same ad two days ago on i think it was a great southern bank billboard in town. i actually did a double take and turned around to see it it was a hudson.

cpr3333

Pacemaker 500,

I think your body style and engine questions have been answered but not your grille question. Again, someone correct me if I’m wrong…

All 1948 and 1949 Hudsons (Commodores and Supers) share the same horizontal bar grill. In 1950, the upside down V was added but that’s not the whole story. The Pacemaker (and, to be precise, the Pacemaker Deluxe) used the same parking light placement as in 1948 and 1949 but on Supers and Commodores, the parking lights were moved up to be in line with the bottom grille bar.

In 1951, the horizontal bars were replaced with curved bars but that’s another story. Bottom line – if it has the upside V and horizontal bars, it’s a 1950. Here is a link (I hope) to a 1950 brochure that shows the differences in grilles and body styles pretty well.

oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Hudson/1950_Hudson/1950_Hudson_Brochure/dirindex.html

Tallent R,

A change to the splice in the driver’s door stainless surround piece? Wow! I’ll have to keep an eye out for that one – that’s the first difference I’ve heard of between the two.

In your later post, you mention that the 4 door has the same roofline as the brougham. Do you know if it’s identical? I heard somewhere that there was a dealer model that was a 4-door on one side and a brougham on the other but I’ve never seen one.

Last, I think you meant to say that there were no Pacemakers in 1949, not 1950. If there were no Pacemakers in 1950, I’ll have to figure out what’s out in my garage. :)

Hudsontech,

Do you know if the Deluxe was a mid-year addition? It doesn’t seem to be mentioned in the sales brochure. Also, any idea of why they even made two different versions? The differences seem pretty minimal to warrant a completely separate serial number series.

All,

Sorry for the novel of a post, it’s just that year to year and model to model differences really interest me. If I had the time and the talent, I’d write a stepdown spotter’s guide.

hudsontech

Chris, I'm not sure when the Deluxe came out. Could well have been mid-year - I'd almost say the trim package was a bit fancier in an attempt to get buyers to buy more of them. Outside of that I have no idea.

Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN

Tallent R

Yeah I guess should have looked it up 50 pacemaker I mean.

Pacemaker 500
I have never measured the two and four door to see if they were the same .
Roger

hudsontech

Good morning everybody. Regards length - the Pacemakers, in 1950, were on a 120 inch wb; all others on a 124 inch wheelbase. So a Pacemaker 2-door coupe should be the same length, overall, as a Pacemaker 4-door sedan. Carry's over to the 124 inch wb models which, overall, would be 4 inches longer.
While I don't have figures for 1950 I do for 1946 - those list an overall length of 207 inches for all body styles except, of course, the pickup trucks (214"). 1946 models had a 121 inch wb.

Hudsonly,
Alex Burr
Memphis, TN

SuperDave

The roof line and rear window are identical on the 48-49 Two door (Brougham) and Four door sedan. I have an example of both. That would make a real conversation piece.. Two door on one side and four door on the other. Guess it would have to have a split front seat.
My two door is a pretty solid car missing way too much to put back to original. Would make a nice street rod though.

hudsn47

Has anyone ever seen a 1952 Pacemaker? I see production figures indicating around 7,000 model 4B's were built but I've not come across one.

cpr3333

Dave,

The one I heard about was a desktop model, not a full sized car.

lostmind

The trunk lids on a Broughm (2 door sedan) and a 4dr sedan interchange.
I had a plaster model of a 42 Hudson with 2 doors on one side and 4 on the other.
I had a 54 Hornet Special Broughm and a Hornet sedan at the same time ,and the
roof lines were the same when parked side by side.

Tallent R

In factory prototypes it was not unusual to do that to save mony and time. There are two examples of that in the Studebaker museum .4 doors on one side and 2 doors on the other,
Roger

1951hornethardtop

I have a 52 Pacemaker broughm in my garage. What I think is interesting is the 2 door broughms were not very popular and the first ones to be junked after Hudson went out of business. Now its a different story. Amazing. I believe there is one other one listed in the HET. I and my son-in-law restored it about 12 years ago and then he died suddenly. My daughter has remarried but refuses to sell it. It just sits in my garage and I start it ever so often. It has completely different seats than the other Hudsons. The seats are like the Fords or Chevys. The back of the seats are not inserts like the other Hudsons. Pretty plain interiors. Had just a three speed with no overdrive.

hudsn47

Thanks, I thought the 52 Pacemakers must be fairly scarce. Also appreciate you sharing the unfortunate story surrounding the car and my heart goes out to your daughter. My 51 Pacemaker Sedan doesnt have overdrive either. It actually drives nicely without it, just not fast. I thought about selling it but it has grown on me to the point I can't seem to let it go either. I guess there is still a niche for the Pacemaker.

Tallent R

Add an overdrive to it and make it a highway car. Not hard to do if you can find one and a 10 inch clutch to put in,
Roger

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