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60case

Hi fellow hud nuts . My girlfreind and i purchased a 1929 town sedan from the estate of jack smith in manitoba . So here the ? Does a town sedan have the flying lady rad cap or not ?. I see the other modeols have them was town sedan eligable with this or is this a add on?

60case

anybody????

mjsandbe

First of all, welcome to the forum

Second of all, it can easily take a few hours to a few days to get answers to some questions, depending on how often people check the fourm and how obscure the question.

Whre are you located?

Once again, welcome.

60case

thanks located 1 1/2 hour north of minot nd in sask

mjsandbe

60case wrote:

thanks located 1 1/2 hour north of minot nd in sask

Are you Canadian (in Canada)? Minot ND is way, way, north in the US.

60case

yep redvers sask is my home ,

Jon B

I'm sure someone will hop in here before too long, with an answer to your question. 1929 was a popular year and there are many of them in the Club.

I hope you'll drive this car often, and far! Jack Smith was known for driving far and wide in his '29, usually pulling a trailer! These late 20's Super Sixes were powerful and durable cars.

bent metal

Flying "man", not lady.

Yes it could.

60case

yes i knew jack well ,my dad worked for him before he retired . jack was good for a story or two for sure

60case

?fling man ? does anybody got a pic?

Jon B

This one?

It's on Lew Phelps' homepage but it may be from a 1928 Hudson. You will have to read the website to figure it out, I'm outta here for lunch!

http://www.phelpsclan.com/Hudson/index.html

bent metal

It's a dude. Or a really ugly lady with no boobs.

Just be glad we're talking about a hood ornament and not a girl you met last night.

LOL Just kidding of coarse. ;)Also, if you look the figure looks a little muscular. I don't know if they were trying to make a male or female but they are usually refered to as a "flying man".

bent metal

That one that "Jon B" posted is perfect! It looks to be an untouched original. Note that the one I posted is a re-pop and it's lost some details. The one that Jon B showed still has the sharp corners and details in the face. Also notice the chest on his photo. The chest is squared off, like a fit male. Because the one in my photo has been over polished the chest looks rounded and girly. Perhaps because of examples like this there has been some confusion. But, they should look like "Jon B's" photo. Good luck finding one that nice though. And if you do, it won't be cheap. You can however find one's like I pictured. But then you end up with a girly man on your hood.

60case

thanks for the info now that i know what to look for by the right name let the search begin

Browniepetersen

I had these photos in file but I think they are for a 28. I am not too sure how much diference there is between a 28 and a 29. By the way, welcome aboard. Nice looking car--hope to see additional pictures soon....

60case

:)thanks for all the help guys , any one know where i can get one of these:confused:

bent metal

I think one of these might be on my "e-bay" pile of things to sell. It'll be one of the re-pop ones. Nice, but not as sharp as the originals. Also know that sometimes the originals have rotted away from the inside. It might look great until you pick it up and find out that the only thing holding it together was a chrome shell. The inside has turned to dust. Not always, but that's something to be aware of. The re-pop one's are good and solid and as you can see from the photos, they look pretty nice.

But, I'm no expert on the '29s.

60case

just did a qiuck search but no luck on e-bay . know of any repo shops:(

oldhudsons

usually referred to as a "flying lady", those were std. equip. on a '28 with the Essex having the same radiator ornament but about 1/2 the size.

I've heard/read that they were optional for the '29 but I had/have a '29 Accessories brochure and they are NOT shown there.

Not having to find a very nice one probably saves you $500-1000!

Jack a genuine "character" in the true sense. I always looked forward to seeing which of his "fleet" he'd drive to the Nationals, usually with trailer in tow! Jack was a master mechanic, esp. with those big F-head '29 engines!

hudnut1tmr

Remember when Jack 'tore down' the coupe at the '87 national to check for some timing chanin noise?

essexcoupe3131

Welcome to the forum, contact Geoff Clark i believe he has the moulds for these, and he does a good jod, he is also full of info as he is the Man when it comes to the early stuff, you could even call him a Guru LOL

Mike

bent metal

oldhudsons wrote:

usually referred to as a "flying lady", those were std. equip. on a '28 with the Essex having the same radiator ornament but about 1/2 the size.

I've heard/read that they were optional for the '29 but I had/have a '29 Accessories brochure and they are NOT shown there.

Not having to find a very nice one probably saves you $500-1000!

Jack a genuine "character" in the true sense. I always looked forward to seeing which of his "fleet" he'd drive to the Nationals, usually with trailer in tow! Jack was a master mechanic, esp. with those big F-head '29 engines!

I think all of this is right. It was a '28 piece, not '29. But everyone wants one for their '29. Perhaps they are a flying lady? I wonder what Hudson called them in their accessory brochure? Whichever it is, it sure looks like a dude.

Doesn't matter, call it either one and if someone has one they will know what your talking about. They are available new, and made out of stainless. I could dig out the information if need be.

I've never seen the flying um', "man lady"?, in 1/2 size. Does anyone have a picture of that? I'd like to have one of those for my rat rod.

Spencer Yarrow

28 ESSEX is similar but much smaller & different angle where it attaches to the cap.

Spencer.

OlHudson8r

bent metal wrote:

I think all of this is right. It was a '28 piece, not '29. But everyone wants one for their '29. Perhaps they are a flying lady? I wonder what Hudson called them in their accessory brochure? Whichever it is, it sure looks like a dude. Doesn't matter, call it either one and if someone has one they will know what your talking about. They are available new, and made out of stainless. I could dig out the information if need be.

I've never seen the flying um', "man lady"?, in 1/2 size. Does anyone have a picture of that? I'd like to have one of those for my rat rod.

Bent metal, you are right; the figure is a dude! He is Icarus, son of Daedulus who fashioned a pair of wings out of wax and feathers. The wings were then attached to the shoulders of father and son so they could fly from their place of imprisonment on Crete. King Minos of Crete imprisoned the two because Daedalus had angered the king by giving unwanted aid to the king's daughter, Ariadne. Daedalus cautioned Icarus not to fly too close to the sun, but we know how young dudes are: Icarus flew too high, the wax melted, the wings were lost, and poor Icarus fell into the sea and drowned! Now the sea is named the Icarian Sea after the unfortunate lad. Owners of 1928 Hudson and Essex models should not let any "hot" babes get too close to their hood ornaments, lest the wings could drop off!

4Hud

The stainless steel ornaments Mr. Bent Metal speaks of appear to be available from Don Sommer at www.americanarrowcorp.com. They look darn nice in the picture, $610 but much more durable than an original.

VicTor Z

http://socalhet.org/sidebar/mascots/index.htm

Source: "HET Mascots-Hood Ornaments-Trademarks" by Walt Harris

Browniepetersen

Great site Vic. By the way, when do we get to see photo's of your recently aquired Hudson?

VicTor Z

Yes brownie, great site, its on the So Ca Chapter web site. Bob R has done a great job on the web site, check it out!!!!!!! Not me with a new (old) hudson, I am still waiting on my '54 coupe . Been married to long , another Hudson -No! My '50 Commadore is almost ready to be put back on the road.:confused:

bent metal

OlHudson8r wrote:

Bent metal, you are right; the figure is a dude! He is Icarus, son of Daedulus who fashioned a pair of wings out of wax and feathers. The wings were then attached to the shoulders of father and son so they could fly from their place of imprisonment on Crete. King Minos of Crete imprisoned the two because Daedalus had angered the king by giving unwanted aid to the king's daughter, Ariadne. Daedalus cautioned Icarus not to fly too close to the sun, but we know how young dudes are: Icarus flew too high, the wax melted, the wings were lost, and poor Icarus fell into the sea and drowned! Now the sea is named the Icarian Sea after the unfortunate lad. Owners of 1928 Hudson and Essex models should not let any "hot" babes get too close to their hood ornaments, lest the wings could drop off!

YES!!! That makes since.

Thanks for telling the story too, interesting. That goes along with other winged Hudson mascots and Greek mythology like the Griffen. Another great hood ornament. They had a theme going there.

I was pretty sure it was a dude. Out in this part of the country it's sometimes adventageous to be able to tell the difference.

"Spencer Yarrow" : Thanks for the photos! I don't think I've ever seen that Icarus in Essex size. Cool.

By the way, I'm going to call it the Icarus from now on rather than 'flying man-lady'. Icarus sounds much better.

Browniepetersen

Bent Metal, does this mean that you are going to take up the study of Greek Mythology? I might suggest Mythology written by Edith Hamilton. This story is considered one of the four great adventures as told by Ovid (By the way, this story is also told by Apollodorus--100 years after Ovid, but I did not want to give anyone a chance to call me on this.) Lot of good stuff in those writings. Intelectuals that drive Hudson's..... Who would have ever thought?

OlHudson8r

Brownie, I always knowed we wuz intellectuals, just not discovered yet! Edith Hamilton is really enjoyable to read, but try Bulfinch's Mythology, too. Dover Publications has copies for sale at $2.63. Heckuva deal!

Browniepetersen

Bulfinch's is excellent, not as well read as Hamilton but I enjoy the works very much. I have been rereading some since this post. Nice way to enjoy the local rain, wind, snow storms we are having...

ESSX28-1 · ESSX28-1 May 2010 Posts: 995Platinum Member

bent metal wrote:

I've never seen the flying um', "man lady"?, in 1/2 size. Does anyone have a picture of that? I'd like to have one of those for my rat rod.

Franklin Mint made a 2 inch high version of the 28 Essex Flying (wo)man. It's a great paper weight on my desk. I could post a photo togther with a real original one if you're interested!!

bent metal

Sure!

I'd like to see it.

Geoff C., N.Z.

There never was a flying man mascot in 1929. It was originally on the '28 models only, but various guys like them, and as they screw right on to the '29 radiator, they have fitted them. There were two radiator caps available for the '29 the 12-sided standard version, and a heavier rounded edge type with rose pattern on the edge. I have molds to get both these made. Can post pics to anyone interested. i also have the mold for the '28 Essex cap.

Geoff.

ESSX28-1 · ESSX28-1 May 2010 Posts: 995Platinum Member

60case wrote:

thanks for the info now that i know what to look for by the right name let the search begin

Evan Eustace HETrongoteapanelbeaters@inspire.net.nz (drop the HET) here in New Zealand has a mould for casting the 28 Hudson mascot in bronze & then they can be either nickle or chrome plated. They are much less costly than the price quoted for the stainless steel repro.

Talk to him directly

bent metal

Geoff C., N.Z. wrote:

There never was a flying man mascot in 1929. It was originally on the '28 models only, but various guys like them, and as they screw right on to the '29 radiator, they have fitted them. There were two radiator caps available for the '29 the 12-sided standard version, and a heavier rounded edge type with rose pattern on the edge. I have molds to get both these made. Can post pics to anyone interested. i also have the mold for the '28 Essex cap.

Geoff.

Yes! Lets see some pictures.

ESSX28-1 · ESSX28-1 May 2010 Posts: 995Platinum Member

bent metal wrote:

Sure! I'd like to see it.

Here we go!

bent metal

That is really nice! Are they still available?

ESSX28-1 · ESSX28-1 May 2010 Posts: 995Platinum Member

bent metal wrote:

That is really nice! Are they still available?

Don't know, I found it on eBay some years ago.

60case

So what would the cost be ? any idea ?

ESSX28-1 · ESSX28-1 May 2010 Posts: 995Platinum Member

60case wrote:

So what would the cost be ? any idea ?

For what ?

60case

ESSX28-1 wrote:

Evan Eustace HETrongoteapanelbeaters@inspire.net.nz (drop the HET) here in New Zealand has a mould for casting the 28 Hudson mascot in bronze & then they can be either nickle or chrome plated. They are much less costly than the price quoted for the stainless steel repro.

Talk to him directly

this I cannot bring up the earl?

ESSX28-1 · ESSX28-1 May 2010 Posts: 995Platinum Member

60case wrote:

this I cannot bring up the earl?

You need to drop the leading HET (there to fox the spammers)in the email address & you will then have Evan's email address. This is not a website (URL)

Last time I spoke to him, he had a couple of mascots straight out of the mould. They will need cleaning up & plating. I'm sure the cost will reflect the amount of your labor you put in or he can do it all & it will cost accordingly.

Remember that NZ$1.00 = US$0.70 approx

60case

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