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In this Discussion
- 46HudsonPU April 2012
- 66patrick66 January 2010
- barry June 2007
- bent metal July 2011
- BJ__TN June 2011
- bluenash December 2007
- Bossjock July 2008
- Browniepetersen December 2010
- EssexAdv April 2012
- essexcoupe3131 April 2011
- ESSX28-1 July 2011
- faustmb January 2007
- harcoequip January 2007
- HotrodHR January 2010
- Hudson Dave September 2009
- Hudson308 October 2009
- Joe C January 2007
- jsrail July 2010
- mrsbojigger January 2007
- MT46 Hudson January 2008
- Oldcar_Mechanic December 2010
- rambos_ride July 2010
- Rarerodder November 2009
- RL Chilton January 2010
- servat_hudson April 2011
- Sonny January 2011
- springspeeddemon January 2007
- Tom Drew November 2010
- VicTor Z March 2007
- WildWasp March 2010
Sonny's '46 Hudson Build -
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I like the 2-tone idea, visually makes the body section look much sleeker! I did something similar on my 49 mock-up...
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Man, you are making fast progress on the project, come so far in what seems such a short period on time, this is going to be a beast when shes finished
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More photos from Sonny - His 'Weekly Update' -
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OK, ready for some more update pics, I'm going into withdrawals here
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More from Sonny -
"The rear fender 's are primed. The cowl is painted although the pic looks are not that good in the sun it is nice. The color is half Toyota and half Ford black cherry.one heavy coat of clear. Now I will start on rear roll pan before removing fenders.This is going to take some thinking out as the gas tank is at a lower line than the fender. Then prime and rhino line all fenders.
The one pic shows that I moved the bottom of rear fenders up to match the body lower drip edge."
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More photos -
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Hi Sonny , Hudson Dave here .
If you geta chance give me a call I have a couple of Important thing that will save you a lot of grief down the road . I went through with my 46 .:eek: ( Wipers and windows ) 352-564-4284 cell 352-586 8427 Your friend Hudson Dave -
More from Sonny -
Still moving forward on the project. Mock up on the grill and shroud for the gas filler. Not sure on the leading edge of the hood I did fab sheet metal filler just need to work on how to get a little curve into it. The compound curve is always a head scratch-er. Spent most of this week cleaning up the shop from last week. Seems like I had every tool I own out. Some times having a large shop has disadvantages to many hiding places.
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Wow that's gonna be a nice ride, man.Workin Stiff
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Words just escape me Sonny! I'm getting all teared up. That's one bad ass beautiful ride. Thanks man.
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Good to be back too work on the Hudson also on line with my car friends as you have noticed ,thanks Rick for progress reports, things are going foward. I will send my grill and hood mods soon. Always open to ideas from the true rodders.Your support is most appreciated Sonny
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Those '46 & '47 Hudson grilles always make me think that the centers have been 'sucked' into engine area like a jet engine intake, with only the ends hanging onto the front of the car. Makes me wonder at the end of WWII with all the craze in planes going into the jet age if the designers didn't have something similar in mind.
Vette grille teeth always look good but I was thinking a deep, chromed, rectangular, inlet that molded into the Hudson grille ends would look powerful. Not recommended a 'theme' car, those are always a little hokey, but something to carry on the theme of the original grille assuming that's what the original designers were thinking. -
Update from Sonny:
"This was a lot of fun with the double compound curve. As an after thought I also installed a filler behind as I didn't like the hollow look and feel. It is really strong 18 gage. turned a 90 on the bottom of filler and welded the two together. I will send pics of the inside when I turn it over."
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Latest from Sonny -
"Well I finally have the grille fitted and all the mods to the original supports rebuilt. Relocated by moving every thing toward the Corvette grille. I had too much gap between hood and top grill bar. Should have taken a pic from the top. Also have the trunk latch's in final resting place, along with the gas filler cover. I had to beat the trunk quite severely to re-shape at body to lid. My lid holder was off and warped the lid when I shut it. Who knew!?!
It may not seem like much work has been completed but it took over a week to "finish" each task.
Sonny"
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Rick:
Can you post some additional pics of Sonny's master cylinder setup (under dash) and / or a description on how the brake pedal and linkage is hooked up and works?
Thanks,
Craig
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HotrodHR wrote:
Hi Craig,Rick:
Can you post some additional pics of Sonny's master cylinder setup (under dash) and / or a description on how the brake pedal and linkage is hooked up and works?
Thanks,
Craig
BTW... project is looking better everyday.
I've forwarded your request to Sonny. As far as I know, I've posted all details and pictures that I've gotten thus far.
At a minimum, I would guess that a remote 'fill' would be necessary for the reservoir.
There are a few mfrs that make the type of unit that Sonny has installed, so a bit of web browsing/surfing might turn up additional information on it. I'll see what I can dig up from the web as well... -
Here's info on the 'under dash' brake setup -
http://www.classicperform.com/tech_articles/GotBrakes/GotBrakes.htm
http://www.rrs-online.com/boosters.php
http://www.thefind.com/cars/info-brake-pedal-mount
http://www.kugelkomponents.com/products/brake_systems/brakesystem.html
Much more under this search:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&as_q=brake+cylinder&as_epq=Under+dash&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images -
46HudsonPU wrote:Hi Craig,
I've forwarded your request to Sonny. As far as I know, I've posted all details and pictures that I've gotten thus far.
At a minimum, I would guess that a remote 'fill' would be necessary for the reservoir.
There are a few mfrs that make the type of unit that Sonny has installed, so a bit of web browsing/surfing might turn up additional information on it. I'll see what I can dig up from the web as well...
Rick:
I saw the pics you posted. BTW Sonny did PM me.
I was really curious as to how the brake pedal linkage worked since the master cylinder is mounted perpendicular to the "stroke" of the brake pedal... must be interesting pivot or push points under there.
Craig -
46HudsonPU wrote:Here's info on the 'under dash' brake setup -
http://www.classicperform.com/tech_articles/GotBrakes/GotBrakes.htm
http://www.rrs-online.com/boosters.php
http://www.thefind.com/cars/info-brake-pedal-mount
http://www.kugelkomponents.com/products/brake_systems/brakesystem.html
Much more under this search:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&as_q=brake+cylinder&as_epq=Under+dash&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images
Thanks Rick for the links... Give me a big "Duh, that's what they make Google for" on this one! :o -
HotrodHR wrote:
No biggie - Honestly, I didn't think there would be much, and didn't find anything at first - 'transverse mounted master cylinder' (?), etc., until I looked for 'under dash brakes'.Thanks Rick for the links... Give me a big "Duh, that's what they make Google for" on this one! :o
That first link has some good info on measuring and installation, and a couple of the others that I singled-out have diagrams and measurments that will help in evaluating the space needed under the dash for this type of setup.
IMO, this type of setup is more for the person who wants a clean look under the hood, and doesn't want to put it under the floor. From appearances, the mounting of this has to be 'super solid' to avoid any unwanted flexing at the pivot area.
The great thing about Sonny's build is that it looks as if there is space to fill the reservoir (if he elects access from where the old Hudson radio used to be).
This thread is a big help for us that are modifying our pre-stepdown Hudsons. Gives us a lot of ideas, and the basics of how to go about getting it done... -
How do you put brake fluid in it, or check the level???"The time has come", the Walrus said, "to speak of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot,
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66patrick66 wrote:How do you put brake fluid in it, or check the level???
I haven't had an under-the-dash unit, but I imagine it's similar to having one under the floorboards. I don't bother taking the plate off from the floorboards, just use a mechanic's mirror and a "turkey baster" type of bulb syringe to fill the reservoir on a stock unit. I don't mind the MC being under the floor pan, but personally, it's much more convenient to have a remote reservoir. -
RL Chilton wrote:I haven't had an under-the-dash unit, but I imagine it's similar to having one under the floorboards. I don't bother taking the plate off from the floorboards, just use a mechanic's mirror and a "turkey baster" type of bulb syringe to fill the reservoir on a stock unit. I don't mind the MC being under the floor pan, but personally, it's much more convenient to have a remote reservoir.
The under floor location of the Hudson master cylinder (MC) created an opportunity for enterprising engineers to create an easy method of servicing the MC. Several aftermarket brake cylinder service solutions were created to allow under hood refilling of the Hudson brake master cylinder. One of the solutions consisted of a replacement screw top for the MC which incorporated a small diameter pipe in the top, a reservoir with the same sized pipe at the bottom and a length of rubber hose to connect the MC to the reservoir. To install this device, the original MC reservoir top was replaced with the new top. The reservoir was mounted in a convenient spot under the hood. A length of rubber hose was run between the MC top and the reservoir outlet tube. The reservoir was then filled with brake fluid. Once the installation was complete, the MC Service could be completed without crawling under the car or removing panels for access.
I have one of these systems.
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WildWasp wrote:The under floor location of the Hudson master cylinder (MC) created an opportunity for enterprising engineers to create an easy method of servicing the MC. Several aftermarket brake cylinder service solutions were created to allow under hood refilling of the Hudson brake master cylinder. One of the solutions consisted of a replacement screw top for the MC which incorporated a small diameter pipe in the top, a reservoir with the same sized pipe at the bottom and a length of rubber hose to connect the MC to the reservoir. To install this device, the original MC reservoir top was replaced with the new top. The reservoir was mounted in a convenient spot under the hood. A length of rubber hose was run between the MC top and the reservoir outlet tube. The reservoir was then filled with brake fluid. Once the installation was complete, the MC Service could be completed without crawling under the car or removing panels for access.
I have one of these systems.
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RL Chilton wrote:I'd like to see that and I'd like to find one, as well!
http://www.rrs-online.com/boosters.php
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Got the impression that Wildwasp had an original-type of reservoir, as if it was a Hudson option. I'm well familiar with what is available after-market-wise.
Well, I re-read his post and maybe he wasn't referring to original-type of equipment. -
RL Chilton wrote:
Ah, ok... Guess I misunderstood your query. Anyway, the picture posted is a more unique underdash setup...Rick-
Got the impression that Wildwasp had an original-type of reservoir, as if it was a Hudson option. I'm well familiar with what is available after-market-wise.
Well, I re-read his post and maybe he wasn't referring to original-type of equipment.
Not sure where one would put the remote reservior without detracting from the 'uncluttered' appearance (which in most cases is the purpose of the underdash brake master cylinder...). -
More from Sonny about his build -
I didn't want you to think I had stopped working on the Hudson. So now that I have fine tuned the rear fenders and installed some alignment pins to make reinstalling fenders much easer. This way it will align perfect to the body. If you have every tried to do this with the robins egg holes on the fender you will understand why.I will send pics of that next time.Sprayed on Herculiner today and will do the front ones when I finish with the pan. As you can see I used my new plasma cutter to remove about 3/4" to move the fat lip back. I could have payed for one a long time ago with all the cut off wheels I have used through this project.
Sonny
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From Sonny:
I have been working on the Hudson. The struts for the hood are 20"@120lbs. Finding the right mounting angle and weight is fun. The hood pivot with old rubber grommets allowed too much flex. I used a bushing 7/8 OD with a 3/4 ID a brass sleeve with a steel sleeve liner, the bolts are from some seat belt, they had a long shoulder and the right thread's. The trunk is still in mock up have to wait till Monday to get the right strut shocks. The cross fender braces are stainless, I had a hard time cutting the threads. The sleeve through the fender I made from 3/4" pipe with washers on the ends. once I had the fender to hood aligned I tack welded them to the inter fenders. As you can see I can open and close the hood to any angle.
Regards to all my online friends -
Sonny
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I think I have already replied to this. But if not the cowl vent has a butterfly on the underside lift it he vent off and there is the master fill.
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RL Chilton wrote:I'd like to see that and I'd like to find one, as well!
The modern plastic equivalent of the glass jar I have is shown at the following URL:
http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/Photos/BrakePhotos/BrakeReservoir.jpg
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Update, from Sonny -
"I have been on the interior parts for some time now. These pics will give you an idea where this is going.I like using the blue foam for my form as I can shape it as I go.The steps are slow as I wait for either the glue or fiberglass to dry.I am doing the package area in sections so I can get the speaker's centered and profiled to the seat. Next time I do this it's a rat rod!!!!!!"
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Very interesting, and nice work, as always.
What is the blue foam? Where do you get it?
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The blue foam is for foundation insulation.It is a high density and easy to sand,rasp or hot wire.Cover it with reinforced foil,you can use heavy duty household foil or way paper.Then glass it. If you cover the glass with wax paper it will have a smother finish. Then a light coat of filler and final shaping.
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I forgot remove the wax paper before filler. The white panels is FRP fiberglass reinforced plastic. Like for shower stalls. It easy to cut with jig saw and will take some shaping with heat,heat gun only. It is a very linier bend not easy work.Scuff it with 80 grit for bonding fiber glass.
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A couple more pictures of the interior build from Sonny. A lot of great work and good ideas going into this car!
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From Sonny:
Just a few photos of my fiberglass work. Only one more piece to make and on to other challenges.
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Fantastic work!
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bent metal wrote:Fantastic work!
The added piece under the dash is a great idea. I might have to borrow that idea some day.
I was looking at that also! Beautifully done incorporating the a/c vents and surrounding the steering column. I'd like to use that also on my Pace Coupe.
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bent metal wrote:
I told him the same thing - It 'flows' very nicely...Fantastic work!
The added piece under the dash is a great idea. I might have to borrow that idea some day. -
From Sonny (on July 9th):
It took me awhile to figure out how to unlatch the doors from the inside. The roller is from a sliding screen door. I had to keep the actuator arm above the kick panel to hook the cable up after the panel is in.AC ducts wiper switch and other interior work is getting close.Then the trunk compressor,power amp and other items.
Starting work on the 34 White fire truck this next week,while waiting for light switch for the Hudson.
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From Sonny (on July 11th):
This is how you make a large trunk small. The last pic is a window trim that I will transform the dead space into storage. Just haven't figured out all the details.Mocked up the AC and fuse block, am building mounts for both.Also doing some work on the air ride system, built all the mounts took them out while I work on that access panel.If any one has sugestion's let me know. I am about out of ideas.
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From Sonny:
As you can see I am moving forward I think I will put a few coats of clear on this evening. Not that anyone will see it. This is Megatron or something that is similar to POR 15. I have the access panels in trunk finished just need to work on where the amplifier will install. need to touch up a few places on the under body before I set it back down.
Sonny
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And even more from Sonny! -
I wanted to move the frame out for a good sunning today. So I had to get the front axle and suspension out and clean all the dust and protective tape off. Some had been on the A arm's for years.The next was finding all the pieces thank goodness I had labeled them. I took all day on get air ride and suspension on and working. So the pics were taken around 8:00 PM. I didn't measure the full range of movement in the gravel but if I remember it is 7 inches.I decided to paint the front shocks and will put them on tomorrow. If I have the energy I will put the motor and trans in reinstall fuel and brake lines..Maybe!!!!
Sonny
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Nice work - Looks like maybe you're close to hitting the downhill slope and getting this beauty on the road again!
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From Sonny:
I decided to not take the day off. Spent much of it looking for little pieces and trying to remember why I had some of the ones I found.All brake lines except the one from proportioning valve up to master cylinder are in.fuel lines to filter in. The tank will go in tomorrow. So Saturday will be a short one as far as the Hudson go's.Still have a few body work details to finish before going on vacation, then paint prep and what ever comes next.
Sonny
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