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Preference on Twin-H Air Cleaners?
  • RL ChiltonRL Chilton
    Posts: 3,456Platinum Member
    It's been a while since we had a poll (Hudsonkid hasn't been around lately).



    Mostly, I'm just curious as to what the general consensus is on Twin-H Air Cleaners:



    1) Square Inlets w/ Paper ( or Mesh) Filters

    2) Square Inlets w/ Oil Baths

    3) Round Inlets w/ Paper ( or Mesh) Filters

    4) Round Inlets w/ Oil Baths

    5) It's a Hudson they all look good!

    6) Go with your year-appropriate filters- Originality counts!



    Please feel free to post your reasons why you picked what you did. This poll is for looks AND function.



    Seems at this point, I can go 3 of the 4 ways
  • RL ChiltonRL Chilton
    Posts: 3,456Platinum Member
    Well, first time I tried to do a poll, and it didn't work. Feel free to respond anyway, still wanna know what y'all think.:)
  • silveronesilverone
    Posts: 616Platinum Member
    Square inlets Russell, and my choice is oil bath, as per original because they "fill up" this engine compartment better, and make the engine look more powerfull, at least to my eye.



    Just take them off and look in there --- that six looks a little puny or lonesome without them, especially to the younger set, who grew up with massive, big block V8's to plunk into their rides.



    That's part of why the early hemi's looked so good IMO too. Those big valve covers gave the engine a really brawney, powerfull look, even when it wasn't running.



    Hudson had to do that with twin air cleaners, and oil bath. ( yeah, I know the oil bath was recommended for folks who drove the dusty back roads of America more than the paved roads, because the oil bath supposedly gave better grit and dirt protection).



    Rancher/farmer option or not, I still like them best.



    silverone
  • ski4life65ski4life65
    Posts: 618Platinum Member
    I like square/mesh filters, but any of them look good. I have never seen round/oil bath before. I'm thinking they must be pretty rare.



    Don
  • bent metalbent metal
    Posts: 1,348Platinum Member
    I'm not a poll guy, don't like to pit one fellows ( or girls ) opinion against anothers......But, since you asked, I like the square/older style with dry filters and not the twin-H single bbl. The two-two bbl, but I think no two two bbl looks right unless the back air cleaner is a tiny bit taller than the front. Just like Hudson originally did it with factory twin-H. The back air cleaner needs to be higher so when you stand back and look at the motor the air cleaners look level. Hope that makes since?



    Just my opinion. :)
  • 37 Terraplane#237 Terraplane#2
    Posts: 1,659Platinum Member
    I'm not one to give a hoot what the next guy likes about anything, if it turns me on that's what I want. {don't allways get it tho } If someone doesn't like my car that's fine, I did'nt do all this work for them. It's for me to enjoy, my way. BUD
  • Hudson308Hudson308
    Posts: 1,405Platinum Member
    As long as you asked.... I prefer the square (stepdown-style) inlets with the wire mesh filters, using K&N part no. E-2550 for the elements.
    Workin Stiff
  • BrowniepetersenBrowniepetersen
    Posts: 2,416Platinum Member
    I hate to admit it but I do not know the difference between square inlets and round inlets (another opportunity for this old dog to learn new tricks)? But I do understand the Oil Bath/dry filter and like the looks and performance of the Oil Bath over the dry filter. When I bought my unit my supplier had both available. I selected the Oil bath because I remember them from my teenage years and simply think they look the best on a 52 stepdown. jmho :):)
    Brownie
  • bent metalbent metal
    Posts: 1,348Platinum Member
    Russell, if your doing this post to help you decide what to put on your car, you might want to wait a week or two. I heard a rumor that their might be an Edmond's aluminum two/two bbl intake with rebuilt carbs and linkage on e-bay. Maybe with the square and dry air cleaners too. I'm not sure yet, those air cleaners are hard to find with staggered heights like that. They're hard to part with. As an added plus, it's the close spread on the carbs! So it will fit in Pacemaker/Wasp. :)



    Come to think of it, that would like nice in my Pacemaker! That's my avatar.:cool:
  • DaveFuryDaveFury
    Posts: 642Platinum Member
    I like the look of the square oil bath style, because they look so impressive under the Stepdown hood. However, if I had to choose for my own car, I would probably go with the square style paper filter ones.
    Dave W.

    What's life without a Hudson?
  • 51hornetA51hornetA
    Posts: 2,338Platinum Member
    Round inlets are 55 and up Square are 54 and earlier. You can load paper filters into the oil bath type to get the robust fill your hood look without the hassle of loading oil (Not really that much of a hassle). I have both on my Hollywood it came with those so I am using those my sedan has paper filter type so using that. I love them both.
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  • DaveFuryDaveFury
    Posts: 642Platinum Member
    51hornetA wrote:
    Round inlets are 55 and up Square are 54 and earlier. You can load paper filters into the oil bath type to get the robust fill your hood look without the hassle of loading oil (Not really that much of a hassle). I have both on my Hollywood it came with those so I am using those my sedan has paper filter type so using that. I love them both.



    There ya go, the best of both worlds!
    Dave W.

    What's life without a Hudson?
  • 53jetman53jetman
    Posts: 872Platinum Member
    Browniepetersen wrote:
    I hate to admit it but I do not know the difference between square inlets and round inlets (another opportunity for this old dog to learn new tricks)? But I do understand the Oil Bath/dry filter and like the looks and performance of the Oil Bath over the dry filter. When I bought my unit my supplier had both available. I selected the Oil bath because I remember them from my teenage years and simply think they look the best on a 52 stepdown. jmho :):)



    I used to work for a warehouse distributor who's main line was WIX oil & air filters. We were tought to explain the difference between oil bath and dry type air filters by including in our presentation that most oil bath air filters would remove nuts & bolts from the air stream entering the carb throats, but if we wanted to filter dust & dirt, the dry type filter eliment was approximately 60% more efficient.



    Jerry

    53jetman
    Jerry
    email: HudsonJetman@mail.com
    2nd Generation Hud-Nut
    HET Tech Adviser on Hudson Jets 1953 & 1954
    HET Registrar of all Hudson Jets
  • RL ChiltonRL Chilton
    Posts: 3,456Platinum Member
    Just got home and glad so many people responded.



    Bud-



    Keep in mind I'm going to do what I please anyway, regardless of what others think. That's why my car will look the way it will and be 95% or so original, or at least "look" factory. The way my skirt gets blown up is to build the car Hudson might have built if the bottom dollar wasn't so damn important.



    Bent Metal-



    If you see that listing before I do, please send me a link, I'll look for it though. Great thought.



    Sean-



    That's good info, just like always from you. Very intriguing, too.
  • RL ChiltonRL Chilton
    Posts: 3,456Platinum Member
    Oh, and for the record, the round inlets and oil baths might not have ever been a factory option, but I've got enough parts and pieces probably to make a set up.
  • silveronesilverone
    Posts: 616Platinum Member
    Square ends -- oil bath, as per factory.



    I tried the paper inserts in these and didn't like the look of them. They looked a bit "phony" to me.



    silverone



    Bigger pictures of this engine can be found at http://www.hudsoncollector.com/forum_viewtopic.php?3.592
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  • Heart Of Texas
    Posts: 700Platinum Member
    VERY NICE engine stand! Do you have pictures and possibly build plans for those who would like a run in stand for thier Hudson projects? VERY KOOOOOOOOOOOL in deed!

    Cheer from HOT
  • Hudson308Hudson308
    Posts: 1,405Platinum Member
    bent metal wrote:
    Russell, if your doing this post to help you decide what to put on your car, you might want to wait a week or two. I heard a rumor that their might be an Edmond's aluminum two/two bbl intake with rebuilt carbs and linkage on e-bay. Maybe with the square and dry air cleaners too. I'm not sure yet, those air cleaners are hard to find with staggered heights like that. They're hard to part with. As an added plus, it's the close spread on the carbs! So it will fit in Pacemaker/Wasp. :)



    Come to think of it, that would like nice in my Pacemaker! That's my avatar.:cool:



    That would be sweet.... :rolleyes:
    Workin Stiff
  • Hudson308Hudson308
    Posts: 1,405Platinum Member
    Heart Of Texas wrote:
    VERY NICE engine stand! Do you have pictures and possibly build plans for those who would like a run in stand for thier Hudson projects? VERY KOOOOOOOOOOOL in deed!



    Cheer from HOT



    Wow... the engine is gorgeous, as well. Proves to me that either filter style is killer, as long as there are two of 'em. ;)
    Workin Stiff
  • silveronesilverone
    Posts: 616Platinum Member
    Heart Of Texas wrote:
    VERY NICE engine stand! Do you have pictures and possibly build plans for those who would like a run in stand for thier Hudson projects? VERY KOOOOOOOOOOOL in deed!



    Cheer from HOT



    This run-in stand was cobbled together without any formal plan to follow Ken, but it would be very easy to draw something up, now that its built, and proved up. About three hours or so running time was put on this engine while sitting on the stand, carefully varying the rpm's up and down, warming it up to operating temp, and shutting it down to cool again, retorquing bolts, tweaking the carbs, etc. -- and just generally letting it "settle in", seat the gaskets, and expose any hot spots or whatever else might have appeared.



    Having done this engine like this with the stand, I'll sure never do another without it. Once its off the stand, you know you've got a virtual "plug 'n play" assembly! Just drop it in, turn the key, and take her for a 200 mile cruise.



    I did consider getting some Hudson instruments, and making a dashboard for the stand, but for this engine, I didn't want to delay the run-up, so settled for plug-in mechanical instruments for oil pressure and temperature, and a carefull "ear", to make sure nothing went awry right off the bat.



    I'll get the stand out, take a couple pictures of it without an engine on it, add some measurements, and post them here. This thing is an absolute "must have" in my opinion, if you're doing an engine !



    Not only that, but its way, waaaay cool when its sitting there on the shop floor, and you can touch the button on the solenoid, start 'er up, and let it sit there running while your buddies just stand there in awe !! I've seen hudson engines sitting on display stands in museums, but how many have seen one sitting on a stand RUNNING ?? Waaaay different reaction - believe me !! The grins are unanimous and from from ear to ear !!



    I think I'm gonna someday do up one of my engines like this just for a shop display. That thing gets more attention than the cars themselves !! Can you imagine that thing sitting there running at a car show ?? You'd steal the show every time you started it, especially if the muffler was tuned to just the right pitch. :)



    silverone
  • hudsonkid
    Posts: 2,298Platinum Member
    I like my oil bath with the paper filters.



    aircleaners.jpg
  • 51hornetA51hornetA
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    HK are those powder coated or painted? either way you did a nice job.
    www.hudsonmotorcar.org
  • Dave53-7C
    Posts: 2,523Platinum Member
    They look great. But that battery hold down...:p
  • RL ChiltonRL Chilton
    Posts: 3,456Platinum Member
    Hudsonkid-



    Those look great and I've decided to go this route, myself. Silverone is right, they fill up the engine bay better.



    I've got a battery hold-down just like that one in the sedan:eek: . . . just haven't found the time to fashion a good one, yet.
  • DaveFuryDaveFury
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    hudsonkid wrote:
    I like my oil bath with the paper filters.



    aircleaners.jpg



    Those look great, Hudsonkid! Do you mind telling us the paper filter element brand/part number?
    Dave W.

    What's life without a Hudson?
  • rambos_riderambos_ride
    Posts: 3,123Platinum Member
    Ummm...2 of them sitting on top of a running engine (preferably in the car, ready to drive :p)
  • silveronesilverone
    Posts: 616Platinum Member
    Engine back in the Coupe.



    silverone
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  • DaveFuryDaveFury
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    silverone wrote:
    Engine back in the Coupe.



    silverone



    Wow Silverone, looks fantanstic!
    Dave W.

    What's life without a Hudson?
  • silveronesilverone
    Posts: 616Platinum Member
    DaveFury wrote:
    Wow Silverone, looks fantanstic!



    Thanks Dave --- I don't like that green knob on the battery disconnect though --- should be a red one !! That green kind of draws the eye to a non-stock item, (which I don't like, as most of you know by now).



    This disconnect is just same the one you see on ebay from time to time --- does anyone know if they have any other color than green for the tightening knob?



    I suppose at a show, I'll just take it off entirely.



    silverone
  • WildWaspWildWasp
    Posts: 412Platinum Member
    silverone wrote:
    Thanks Dave --- I don't like that green knob on the battery disconnect though --- should be a red one !! That green kind of draws the eye to a non-stock item, (which I don't like, as most of you know by now).



    This disconnect is just same the one you see on ebay from time to time --- does anyone know if they have any other color than green for the tightening knob?



    I suppose at a show, I'll just take it off entirely.



    silverone



    You can remove paint it with plastic paint and reinstall.
  • silveronesilverone
    Posts: 616Platinum Member
    WildWasp wrote:
    You can remove paint it with plastic paint and reinstall.



    You might have the solution there WildWasp -- thanks for the idea !



    silverone
  • SRCraftsman2SRCraftsman2
    Posts: 417Platinum Member
    silverone wrote:
    Thanks Dave --- I don't like that green knob on the battery disconnect though --- should be a red one !! That green kind of draws the eye to a non-stock item, (which I don't like, as most of you know by now).

    This disconnect is just same the one you see on ebay from time to time --- does anyone know if they have any other color than green for the tightening knob?

    I suppose at a show, I'll just take it off entirely.

    silverone

    There have been starting problems with this type of disconnect. You may want to try a different style and move it to the ground side of the battery. I removed mine.

    See this thread:

    http://www.classiccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9325&highlight=battery+disconnects
  • silveronesilverone
    Posts: 616Platinum Member
    SRCraftsman2 wrote:
    There have been starting problems with this type of disconnect. You may want to try a different style and move it to the ground side of the battery. I removed mine.



    See this thread:



    http://www.classiccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9325&highlight=battery+disconnects



    Well --- who'da thought this thread would lead here, -- but I'm sure glad it did ! I'm gonna go out and put that thing on the ground strap at least, --- if not chuck it completely !



    I didn't like the "Walmart" look of it anyway.



    The only reason I had a disconnect on the battery anyway, -- is a childhood memory of my Dad's almost brand new stepdown burning up sitting out in the driveway in the middle of the night. I never did hear what caused that fire, but my Dad showed up with another new Hudson a couple days later, and life went on, but I'll carry that memory to my grave.



    silverone
  • 51hornetA51hornetA
    Posts: 2,338Platinum Member
    My custom disconnect unit looks remarkably like a snap-on wrench ....
    www.hudsonmotorcar.org
  • Heart Of Texas
    Posts: 700Platinum Member
    Mine is a craftsman ... but it works just fine.
  • DaveFuryDaveFury
    Posts: 642Platinum Member
    Well, I finally own a set. All I need now is the manifolds, carbs and linkage:



    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250408335006&viewitem=
    Dave W.

    What's life without a Hudson?
  • ski4life65ski4life65
    Posts: 618Platinum Member
    I bailed on the bidding at around $60.....
  • hudsonkid
    Posts: 2,298Platinum Member
    I'll get the part number for those filters tomorrow. I know they are available at any Carquest.



    I don't know why you guys don't like that battery holdown... doesn't everyone use a bungee?



    I have the stock one, just that I need to ante up and buy a battery that fits it proper.
  • DaveFuryDaveFury
    Posts: 642Platinum Member
    hudsonkid wrote:
    I'll get the part number for those filters tomorrow. I know they are available at any Carquest.



    I don't know why you guys don't like that battery holdown... doesn't everyone use a bungee?



    I have the stock one, just that I need to ante up and buy a battery that fits it proper.



    Cool. Thanks Hudsonkid!
    Dave W.

    What's life without a Hudson?
  • DaveFuryDaveFury
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    hudsonkid wrote:
    I'll get the part number for those filters tomorrow. I know they are available at any Carquest.



    .



    H K,



    Did you happen to get those filter part numbers for us?
    Dave W.

    What's life without a Hudson?
  • DaveFuryDaveFury
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    OK Twin H experts. I received my oil bath Twin H air cleaners today. How are they supported on the drivers side? Is ther a bracket from the cylinder head, or off of the throttle linkage bracket? Any info and/or pictures would be greatly appreciated.
    Dave W.

    What's life without a Hudson?
  • ski4life65ski4life65
    Posts: 618Platinum Member
    DaveFury wrote:
    OK Twin H experts. I received my oil bath Twin H air cleaners today. How are they supported on the drivers side? Is ther a bracket from the cylinder head, or off of the throttle linkage bracket? Any info and/or pictures would be greatly appreciated.



    One of the brackets is part of the linkage, and the other one is a bent piece of metal held onto the head by one of the headbolts. I am at work right now, but maybe somebody else can post a picture.



    Don
  • ski4life65ski4life65
    Posts: 618Platinum Member
    DaveFury wrote:
    H K,



    Did you happen to get those filter part numbers for us?



    http://www.classiccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10179&highlight=bath+filter
  • ralpie
    Posts: 1,066Platinum Member
    DaveFury wrote:
    OK Twin H experts. I received my oil bath Twin H air cleaners today. How are they supported on the drivers side? Is ther a bracket from the cylinder head, or off of the throttle linkage bracket? Any info and/or pictures would be greatly appreciated.


    One of the supports is part of the linkage as shown in this picture

    TwinHlinkage.jpeg

    Look close at this picture and the other "loose bracket" is shown mounted under one of the head bolts

    1975500684_2acf0a1585.jpg?v=0

    Same brackets used for the oil bath types.

    Cheers from HOT ;)

  • DaveFuryDaveFury
    Posts: 642Platinum Member
    Thanks Ken!
    Dave W.

    What's life without a Hudson?
  • DaveFuryDaveFury
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    Got the air cleaners body worked, primed and painted today. Does anyone make the air cleaner instruction decals that are located on the top of the drivers side? I know Bill A and K-gap have the Twin H decals.
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    Dave W.

    What's life without a Hudson?
  • ralpie
    Posts: 1,066Platinum Member
    DaveFury wrote:
    Got the air cleaners body worked, primed and painted today. Does anyone make the air cleaner instruction decals that are located on the top of the drivers side? I know Bill A and K-gap have the Twin H decals.

    Nice work!!!!

  • nhp1127nhp1127
    Posts: 2,275Platinum Member
    Now that's a Doc Hudson- nice! Not sure if K-gap has the air filter instructions you are looking for, but their water transfer Twin-H look the best Vs peel and stick decals.
  • LanceBLanceB
    Posts: 674Platinum Member
    Looks beautiful Dave! Can I send you mine?
  • DaveFuryDaveFury
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    LanceB wrote:
    Looks beautiful Dave! Can I send you mine?



    Thanks Lance,



    Naw, I can barely find enough energy to finish my own stuff! LOL
    Dave W.

    What's life without a Hudson?
  • Heart Of Texas
    Posts: 700Platinum Member
    Try Large Paul in PA... I believe he makes a variety of decals, and stick on labels for HET products.