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40' vs '40
  • 66patrick6666patrick66
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    I find this pretty amusing, with people talking about their 40' Hudson, meaning "forty-foot long Hudson", rather than a '40 Hudson, which is the proper way to abbreviate a year.



    The apostrophe goes BEFORE the number if you are talking about a '37 Hudson, or if Gramps was born in '29.



    The apostrophe goes AFTER the number if you are talking about your 40' motor coach, or the 30' embankment you rolled your car over in once!



    I find it funny to see folks discussing their 36-foot-long cars!



    Someone is bound to blow a cork over this, watch!:eek:



    Happy New Year!:D
    "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to speak of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot,
    And whether pigs have wings..."
  • Richard E.Richard E.
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    Ah, an English major among us?? I appreciate your precision, however I tend to take a more, live and let live approach. We get the idea and I don't think any one here plans on submitting any of this for publication. Perhaps you can answer this question for me, why does my spell check on my computer want to place an apostrophe between the "n" and the "s" whenever I write Hudsons?? This is a plural, not a possesive?? (I used to ditch English!)
  • 66patrick6666patrick66
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    No, not an English major, I just find it very funny to read about a 52-foot-long car! I know they mean "1952", but it makes a difference.



    Hudson's is a possessive. "My Hudson's transmission is an overdrive."



    Hudsons is plural. "I have two Hudsons."



    Again, it makes a difference. Between that, and the texting mentality, reading what people write anymore is unnecessarily time-consuming, in many cases!
    "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to speak of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot,
    And whether pigs have wings..."
  • SamJSamJ
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    Richard E. wrote:
    Ah, an English major among us?? I appreciate your precision, however I tend to take a more, live and let live approach. We get the idea and I don't think any one here plans on submitting any of this for publication. Perhaps you can answer this question for me, why does my spell check on my computer want to place an apostrophe between the "n" and the "s" whenever I write Hudsons?? This is a plural, not a possesive?? (I used to ditch English!)



    As I edit, the most common mistakes I find are "There were many Hudson's at the meet." And using your and you're incorrectly. I don't catch everything, but I try...:o
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  • SamJSamJ
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    Oh, and I'm offered more versions of "Commodore" than I can list here...and I'm pretty sure it's not "Commodedoor," although that's one of my favorites...:D
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  • Geoff C., N.Z.Geoff C., N.Z.
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    Actually, it's "My Hudson's transmission has an overdrive". As Professor Higgins observed regarding the english language - "In America they haven't used it for years!"
    If you're stuck in a hole, stop digging.
  • Jon BJon B
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    Well, I AM an English major, and I want this incorrect usage stopped. IMMEDIATELY! Or you will be sent directly to the Principal's office!!



    LOL!
  • SamJSamJ
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    Jon B wrote:
    Well, I AM an English major, and I want this incorrect usage stopped. IMMEDIATELY! Or you will be sent directly to the Principal's office!!



    LOL!



    The Principal? Well, Jon, only if it's a matter of principle. I have a graduate degree in English, and ever since they invented the mechanical pencil, I've found it hard to make a living. :D Geoff, I just checked the garage, and I do have spanners, tyres, a spare bonnet, and a can of petrol. :eek:
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  • Kevin C.Kevin C.
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    Since everyone else is being so picky, I thought I would add my two cents and request Major Battle move this thread over to the discussion group where it belongs! LOL:p



    Kevin C.
  • Jon BJon B
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    Aye-aye, sir!



    --The Major
  • 66patrick6666patrick66
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    Yeah, Jon, move it to where it belongs!:)
    "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to speak of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot,
    And whether pigs have wings..."
  • Geoff C., N.Z.Geoff C., N.Z.
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    . :D Geoff, I just checked the garage, and I do have spanners, tyres, a spare bonnet, and a can of petrol. :eek:[/QUOTE]



    Sam, how about a crescent, some mudguards, a dip switch, a windscreen, and a chilly bin for the Vegemite sammies?
    If you're stuck in a hole, stop digging.
  • BrowniepetersenBrowniepetersen
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    Since my undergraduate degree was as an English Major, I thought I might sound in with the various ways that the English language is changing and that does not count the systems used by businesses today. What was proper a few years ago has been changed more than once. We could also talk about the language being created by texting. Since my graduate degree is not English I will finish off with my favorite military accronym that clearly explains what is happening today: "SNAFU?":):)
    Brownie
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    2 words that most people get wrong drive me crazy:



    1.Nuclear...most people say nuke you lar and it should be nuke lee ar



    B. Realtor...most people say reel a tor and it should be.. re al tor



    And don't even get me started on the way the british butcher aluminum.
  • Harry HillHarry Hill
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    Jon B wrote:
    Well, I AM an English major, and I want this incorrect usage stopped. IMMEDIATELY! Or you will be sent directly to the Principal's office!!



    LOL!

    If the Principal is hot send me, please.



    Harry
  • Geoff C., N.Z.Geoff C., N.Z.
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    Jimalberta wrote:
    2 words that most people get wrong drive me crazy:



    1.Nuclear...most people say nuke you lar and it should be nuke lee ar



    B. Realtor...most people say reel a tor and it should be.. re al tor



    And don't even get me started on the way the british butcher aluminum.



    Al-you-min-ee-um. Spelt Aluminium. (Concise Oxford dictionary). It's only you New-Worlders who leave the "first "i" out of it and mangle the pronunciation.
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    Why two spellings?



    Following up a Topical Words piece on the international spelling of what British English writes as sulphur, many American subscribers wrote in to ask about another element with two spellings: aluminium.



    The metal was named by the English chemist Sir Humphry Davy (who, you may recall, “abominated gravy, and lived in the odium of having discovered sodium”), even though he was unable to isolate it: that took another two decades’ work by others. He derived the name from the mineral called alumina, which itself had only been named in English by the chemist Joseph Black in 1790. Black took it from the French, who had based it on alum, a white mineral that had been used since ancient times for dyeing and tanning, among other things. Chemically, this is potassium aluminium sulphate (a name which gives me two further opportunities to parade my British spellings of chemical names).



    Sir Humphry made a bit of a mess of naming this new element, at first spelling it alumium (this was in 1807) then changing it to aluminum, and finally settling on aluminium in 1812. His classically educated scientific colleagues preferred aluminium right from the start, because it had more of a classical ring, and chimed harmoniously with many other elements whose names ended in –ium, like potassium, sodium, and magnesium, all of which had been named by Davy.



    The spelling in –um continued in occasional use in Britain for a while, though that in –ium soon predominated. In the USA, the position was more complicated. Noah Webster’s Dictionary of 1828 has only aluminum, though the standard spelling among US chemists throughout most of the nineteenth century was aluminium; it was the preferred version in The Century Dictionary of 1889 and is the only spelling given in the Webster Unabridged Dictionary of 1913. Searches in an archive of American newspapers show a most interesting shift. Up to the 1890s, both spellings appear in rough parity, though with the –ium version slightly the more common, but after about 1895 that reverses quite substantially, with the decade starting in 1900 having the –um spelling about twice as common as the alternative; in the following decade the –ium spelling crashes to a few hundred compared to half a million examples of –um.



    Actually, neither version was often encountered early on: up to about 1855 it had only ever been made in pinhead quantities because it was so hard to extract from its ores; a new French process that involved liquid sodium improved on that to the extent that Emperor Napoleon III had some aluminium cutlery made for state banquets, but it still cost much more than gold. When the statue of Eros in Piccadilly Circus in London was cast from aluminium in 1893 it was still an exotic and expensive choice. This changed only when a way of extracting the metal using cheap hydroelectricity was developed.



    It’s clear that the shift in the USA from –ium to –um took place progressively over a period starting in about 1895, when the metal began to be widely available and the word started to be needed in popular writing. It is easy to imagine journalists turning for confirmation to Webster’s Dictionary, still the most influential work at that time, and adopting its spelling. The official change in the US to the –um spelling happened quite late: the American Chemical Society only adopted it in 1925, though this was clearly in response to the popular shift that had already taken place. The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) officially standardised on aluminium in 1990, though this has done nothing, of course, to change the way people in the US spell it for day to day purposes.



    It’s a word that demonstrates the often tangled and subtle nature of word history, and how a simple statement about differences in spelling can cover a complicated story.



    Interesting article about it Geoff.
  • Geoff C., N.Z.Geoff C., N.Z.
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    The mind boggles!!! We have an aluminium producing plant here that was built in the 1960's, and has a contract supply of cheap hydro power which is locked in to get the cheapest electricity in the country for many years. The minute anyone hints of "market rates" they threaten to pull the plug and leave, which would throw hundred sof people out of work. Good old multinational cartels! On a completely different tack, why do you lot over there still insist on calling the dip switch a "dimmer" switch? The original use of a dimmer switch was up until the mid twenties, when single filament bulbs were used in the headlights, and a resistance was switched into the circuit to "dim" the lights. Then dual filament bulbs were introduced, which were of course the same light intensity for each filament, but the switch now "dipped" the light beam by switching filaments. So in this one we are definitely on the more correct terminology! We won't even get into tyres, hoods, bonnets, benzine, etc. Have a happy New Year.

    Geoff.
    If you're stuck in a hole, stop digging.
  • BrowniepetersenBrowniepetersen
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    What was not brought up in the diatribe on aluminum was the way that the british pronounce the work. Something like "al u min e um" Lived over there for a bit and got use to the way they pronounces several words in the Kings English. It is all fun.....
    Brownie
  • Uncle JoshUncle Josh
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    I'm glad I went with Mechanical Engeneering.
  • 37 CTS37 CTS
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    In the rare event that Two Essex cars arrive at a meet , how should that be expressed?



    Essex

    Essexs

    Essexes



    will one of you scholars please advise this Hoosier?
  • Uncle JoshUncle Josh
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    Probably by truck.
  • MikeWAMikeWA
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    37 CTS wrote:
    In the rare event that Two Essex cars arrive at a meet , how should that be expressed?



    Essex

    Essexs

    Essexes



    will one of you scholars please advise this Hoosier?



    "Hey, look- There's an Essex! And there's another!"
  • 66patrick6666patrick66
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    Essexi

    Essex (like "moose" - "Hey, there are three Essex!")

    There are three of those Essex cars!
    "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to speak of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot,
    And whether pigs have wings..."
  • Harry HillHarry Hill
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    Are you sure it's not Essay, as in Hey Essay, check out the cool Essex.



    Harry
  • bent metalbent metal
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    I got to admit that some of this thread is pretty funny. But honestly, I spell things wrong on here on purpose some times. Because i DON,t tHINK it matters. I just want to learn from you people about Hudson stuff. wEATHER it's a 12' or 12 inches doesn't matter...as long as the wife doesn't know what a foot really is. :D Besides, everyone knows spelling doesn't matter as long as the first and last letter are right, and all the other letters are in there somewhere. Dno't you arege wtih me taht waht I'm syang is ture eoungh? And the qeutsoin auobt the Eessx, I tnihk it's "Essexes. Jsut my onipoin. ;)

    Oh, and my avatar is a 51'.