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bent metal

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Oh no!!!! Don't tell me I have to learn a new way to post pictures!:angry:

Plus I can only do one at a time, with no preview option for the picture?

Or two of the same picture. hahaha:sick: Well anyhow, green like this little face here. :sick: haha

BJ__TN

Take that panel to your local Sherwin Williams store and they should have enough area there to read the color and then duplicate it. When they get it under their spectrograph they should be able to give you a color and mixing specs.
Bob

essexcoupe3131

Hi Perry,
so John Deer green is going to be the color?
should be a problem to match that color at all and I bet PPG will have it all filed away as they have been using that color forever
Its the same as my lawn tractor or as we say down under a ride on :lol:
have that color in my garage though a little worse for wear just cant get my head around washing it each time I use it
No matter what color you paint her she will look awesome and I can see all the gnaws dropping now :ohmy:
cant wait for some more pictures I come here so frequently to just to see what you are up to, its like watching a good Tv series hoping the season will never end

mike

Mike

bent metal

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I read the news paper article that "Ric West Ind" has and it says that you could basically order whatever color you wanted from a dealer in Grand Rapids. Actually a few college people ordered the boat tails in their school colors. My Dad has been debating the color issue for a while now and I think he has finally decided to make this car, the way it was. Which was green, just a little darker than John Deere green, and not so yellow. But the way this car came new.

The doors were rusted out at the bottom, etc.

bent metal

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I have to do pictures one at a time, for some reason?

bent metal

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bent metal

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bent metal

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Alright, all of the boat tail stuff has moved on, out of my garage, onto the painter. ...All but one piece. I had a bad feeling about this. I don't know why, but I did. It's just too small and too easy for someone to lose. This is the trim piece that goes on the back of the tail. Soooo, "just in case", I made an extra one.

bent metal

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Ok, well actually I made three extra ones. But that's it!

Now I'm going on to something else.

onerare39

You certainly have a knack for bending metal!

essexcoupe3131

Hi Bent,
I was having a look at Sonny's 46 and he had a good shot of the bonnet front on sporting it new superb paint job and I had a thought that this would make a good basis for the rear of a boat tail :ohmy: add a bit in 4 extra height if you need it, must be quite a few of these around

Thoughts
Mike

bent metal

I saw one like that. Mr. Albright had it and it was either beige or yellow. Maybe someone has a picture???

Anyone??

bent metal

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This one?

bent metal

How are you guys making the pictures(more than one) in one spot on a post?
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bent metal

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Side view.

bent metal

I keep thinking something doesn't look right? Are the skirts on this car backwards?!?! I mean, on the wrong side?

Browniepetersen

I saw the car some years ago while it was on display in Laughlin, Nevada. As I recall Bill pulled it out of the display along with his Station Wagon and sold the boat tail to someone in LA? Have not seen or heard from it since. Who has it now? As I recall it is a car that Bill built and the doner for the back section was a hood from another car? I am not too sure of the story because it has been sometime since I saw it.

essexcoupe3131

cut a couple inches in height on the bonnet narrow up the wings, shorten buy a foot or so, cut in the r/seat, a must
throw on a 27 chassis with a cowl and and front and rear guards
then bobs your uncle, done

Mike

Hudson308

essexcoupe3131 wrote:

cut a couple inches in height on the bonnet narrow up the wings, shorten buy a foot or so, cut in the r/seat, a must
throw on a 27 chassis with a cowl and and front and rear guards
then bobs your uncle, done

Mike

And flip the skirts side to side. THEN Bob's yer uncle!
Good eyes guys...

essexcoupe3131

Hey Bent, whats happening with the boat tail, I have been getting with drawls having seen nothing for awhile
Mike

bent metal

It's at the paint shop. I've got my fingers crossed for good luck.

essexcoupe3131

That surprises me, a man with all your talent I would have thought you were doing it yourself

All good LOL

If you have done your homework as you have shown all the time it will be Sweeeeet
Mike

bent metal

I think I'm done painting.
I painted my first car at 14 or 15 yrs old. Went to school for car painting. Then I did color matches and paint delivery for a custom paint shop for a few years. Then went to paint school again. Then I did prep and helper work for a master painter in a restoration shop for a few years. Then I painted the lines on the highways for a few years. Then I painted cabinets and color matched wood stains for a few years. Paint, paint, paint.
I think I'm done painting. But I did go and see the boat tail. It was all I could do to not snatch the sand paper out of the worker's hand and show him what he was doing wrong! Too much filler for no reason. They are use to doing collision repair and not old cars. I tried to explain to the guy that the "shapes" of the metal are good and he needs to just use a filler type primer and block sand any small waves, etc. But I don't think he liked me making suggestions. So I said, "Well, you know what your doing. I'll get out of your way." On my way out I noticed the floor pan (that took me a week to make) was leaning against a pile of junk with several very rusty patches where a cat had sprayed on it! Needless to say, I had to bite my tongue to keep from saying anything.
I got my fingers crossed. But I'm worried.

I hope it doesn't turn out like one of those cars where every panel bubbles out from too much filler. Rather than one flowing contour the length of the body.

I hate to even think of such a thing. ...But I do still have my old spray gun under the work bench.

Hudson308

Wow. With the amount of work you've got in those panels, you're WAY more accommodating than I would be. I realize you need to give the place some slack, but... :huh:

Browniepetersen

Like you Bent (knowing that I could never be the "tin man" that you are) I stopped painting about 5 years ago. I did it because of the dangers of paint to my lungs... However, about three years ago I was building a special car (I think they are all special when you are working on them)and the shop where I was having the finish sand/paint had a new finish/paint guy. I visited him and we talked about some of the issues that you are talking about. He allowed me to work along side him through the final process and I made the decision when it was ready for paint. He then invited me in the paint booth with him and we discussed the whole process and how the paint would go down. In the end, he painted the top surfaces and I did the sides. It turned out to be a great day. He still tells me that the last car we did this tag-team on is the best car he has ever done. It turned out to be a win-win; but, in the end, I think I was the real winner.....

I expect the boat tail will look great!!! I even expect that the paint will be acceptable--cannot wait to see it. Will you have it out for San Diego?

essexcoupe3131

Hi Bent, what are they thinking, I haven't seen your work in person other than the photos, though I can see the passion and artistry you have so all your work would be superb (that would be a privilege too see)
Are they thinking they are on Rides!

As you said a coat or 2 or 3 of epoxy primer to shoot out any ripples or waves I would have thought would have been plenty and use long boards to shoot it all straight
I know its hard commenting on others peoples work 1/2 done,I had a similar issue with mine
and it actually got completely painted twice as they had an issue getting the yellow consistent in color as you couldn't assemble the car the do the final top coats
the issue I have now is there is too much paint and when you get a chip in it from stones you can see the depth of paint to the primer

Brownie made a good comment and it might be worth sitting down with the guy and have a heart to heart with him and about your concerns because when are you going to do 1 of these puppy's again !

All the best and watching with anticipation
It will work out and be superb as all your work is

Mike

Hudson308

Yeah, what they said. :huh:

Problem is most shops won't even let you in the paint booth due to liability issues... especially if you're having this done at a "chain" shop like ABRA. It's not only injury liability. If something goes wrong with the job then the finger pointing begins. Don't know what your connection/relationship is with this shop, but with the trigger experience you have it sure would be nice to have more control over the final finishing on parts that have been so painstakingly crafted.

bent metal

I really don't understand the idea of putting an eighth inch of bond-o on an entire car. But it does seem to be common practice in body shops now a days. Also, to be fair to the painter I've seen a few cars he's done and they look good. I suppose the end result is what's important. Maybe it doesn't matter how he gets there.

But I'm still going to swing by there within' the next week or so. Just to make sure we're going in the right direction.

Brownie, I do expect it to be at the San Diego meet. It won't be complete, but it should be pretty far along.

Hudson308

bent metal wrote:

I really don't understand the idea of putting an eighth inch of bond-o on an entire car. But it does seem to be common practice in body shops now a days.

It's one way to get panels really straight, if you know your way around an idiot stick and don't mind using it. Problem is that with all the wheel time you put in those panels, it would be a cryin' shame if they no longer passed the magnet test for the doubters who think it isn't all steel. If your pictures show anything close to reality (and I believe they do), 2 heavy coats of surfacer would make those panels like glass. Magnetic glass.

bent metal

Right, I agree. I understand the concept of what they are trying to do. But you would think that someone at a paint shop would look at the cars on an individual basis and say "This one doesn't need to be a bond-o sculpture.".

I'm probably worried for nothing. I'm going to go over there tomorrow and check things out.

essexcoupe3131

Hi Bent Metal,did you go and see the painters last week?
Set all your reservations to bay?
Mike

bent metal

Nah. I wanted to, real bad. But I restrained myself. It's really not my car, I didn't choose the painter. I'm trying to keep my nose out of it. :whistle:

But man-o-man, it's tough. ...I just want it to come out nice.

essexcoupe3131

As I understand it isn't this your dads car?
cant get any closer than blood lol
I know I often look out for my dad to see that things are as he expected
Mike

essexcoupe3131

how is the painting going
Mike

bent metal

Ok, update,...yeah, it's my Dad's car. But he doesn't like to be told what to do. He's more than capable of handling a restoration project. So I'm trying to help, without getting in the way.

And that helps me learn as we go along, as well. I know I can still learn a lot from him.

Almost back from paint. Should be done this week. I saw the color, it's on the money! I don't want to jinx it, but I think it's going to work out. ....And it was an adventure to get this far! ...Don't ask...

Keep your fingers crossed for us! Just a few more days and Dad will be working on her again.

HotrodHR

Man you almost gave me a heart attack when I saw the pics! You got me! Hudson power all the way, stock or 308!

bent metal

I'm voting the car go all stock. But Dad's the boss on this project. Since he decided to go with the original green color, I think he'll stick with the original motor. I hope. And maybe just hot rod the original engine a tiny bit?

He is however talking about changing the front axle to give it front brakes. From what I understand, Essex didn't have front brakes until '28. This is a '27 and it has no front brakes. But Hudson had front brakes in '27. So maybe put a Hudson front axle on her?

essexcoupe3131

Hey Bent, cant wait to see it painted, pity to hide all your handy work
and effort, but will be well worth the effort

Mike

bent metal

Dad is getting ready to order the wood. Before everyone says the species was Ash, let me just say, maybe not!
Now I'm no expert on wood identification. But I'm not completely new to it either. I can tell the difference from ash and oak, and maple and alder.
So, we're looking through the parts the wood that are still solid. I'm sanding down various areas on different pieces trying to get a good look at the grain for identification purposes. Guess what? It looks like there are at least three different species! It all looks original, in every way? I think they must of built this car with whatever hard wood they had on hand? I know these carswere made in small quantities, so maybe they didn't worry about matching all the wood types? I don't know. But that's all I can figure. It's a surprise to me. Has anyone else seen anything like this before? Maybe on a different year car?

essexcoupe3131

I am helping restore a 37 Chev convertible at the moment, and we are remaking all the wood in Teak because of its stability and rot resistance
the chassis rails in the coupe have been done in it so there is no squeaks as the steel on either side
this convertible is a genuine right hand drive and is 1 of 12 known to exist
in the world and have had some timber work sent down from the states to copy as this is my trade, this is hammer and file rebuild (as you are so good at) fully restored and assembled and then disassembled for complete painting
just a thought

bent metal

essexcoupe3131 wrote:

I am helping restore a 37 Chev convertible at the moment, and we are remaking all the wood in Teak because of its stability and rot resistanceI'd like to see pictures of that project.
the chassis rails in the coupe have been done in it so there is no squeaks as the steel on either side
this convertible is a genuine right hand drive and is 1 of 12 known to exist
in the world and have had some timber work sent down from the states to copy as this is my trade, this is hammer and file rebuild (as you are so good at) fully restored and assembled and then disassembled for complete painting
just a thought

That's pretty much the order of the boat tail build as well. Although if I had it to do over again I would do it differently. But it's going to work out ok.

As far as the "original" wood species goes. I think there might be more than one right answer. This car will be all of one type or another, not mixed. I just thought it was interesting that the original appears to have been made with different wood types.

essexcoupe3131

Hi Bent have look at these
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the guy owns the green coupe in the back ground as well
this is all the handy work of my mate Paul, in the same place sitting in the rafters is a genuine 57 Pontiac convertible fully stripped rust free body with matching fuel injected engine and is all there complete, and they have been offered 7 figures US as it sits
nice car and is believed to be the only 1 known to exist
Mike

bent metal

That looks very very nice! Thanks for sharing the pictures.

I did a car similar to that one. It had rusted out across the back there, behind the bumper. Pretty car. I think it was a different year, but close to that one.

Hudson308

essexcoupe3131 wrote:

Hi Bent have look at these

Wow. More nice smithin'.
'37 Chevy?

essexcoupe3131

yes it is

Mile

roy chapin

essexcoupe3131 wrote:

yes it is

Mile

Mile or Mike?

Bent Metal, where are the pictures?

essexcoupe3131

its mike

bent metal

This is the one I worked on a while back. I think it's close to the year you metioned there?
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Rusty across the back, and double walled there.
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Some odd fitment issues with the fenders.
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bent metal

Hmmm? Pictures went out of order there. But I think you get the idea.
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bent metal

Ahhh! The pictures are in reverse order, bottom to top, instead of the other way around.

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