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Not a barn find -- a "bog" find ?
  • silveronesilverone
    Posts: 616Platinum Member
    Well its not a Hudson, but waaay, waaay cool anyway !! What car nut of any vintage wouldn't flip at finding one of these while poking around with a stick.



    You just never know what's lurking in the swamp !!



    silverone.



    ( well -- here we go again --- some of the pictures I wanted to post are 99.5 kb or whatever, and the site only allows 97.7 soooo I'll try to reduce them, and post them in another post ) ( I don't want to lose what progress I've made so far. )
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  • silveronesilverone
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    OK -- here's a try at a couple more --- slightly reduced ---
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  • silveronesilverone
    Posts: 616Platinum Member
    Ok, that worked, -- now let's see if I can get some more up.



    Apparently this tank had been hidden in the muck for nearly 60 years until recently recovered.



    Yeah, I know its not a Hudson, but it'd have to be an Italia or something like that to top this baby in my eyes !!



    Pretty cool.



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  • Jon BJon B
    Posts: 4,770Moderator
    Abridged background (taken from the internet site where these photos were found):





    In September 2000, a Komatsu D375A-2 pulled an abandoned tank from its archival tomb under the bottom of a lake near Johvi, Estonia. The Soviet-built T34/76A tank had been resting at the bottom of the lake for 56 years. According to its specifications, it’s a 27-tonne machine with a top speed of 53km/h.



    From February to September 1944, heavy battles were fought in the narrow, 50 km-wide, Narva front in the northeastern part of Estonia. Over 100,000 men were killed and 300,000 men were wounded there. During battles in the summer of 1944, the tank was captured from the Soviet army and used by the German army. (This is the reason that there are German markings painted on the tank’s exterior.) On 19 September 1944, German troops began an organised retreat along the Narva front. It is suspected that the tank was then purposefully driven into the lake, abandoning it when its captors left the area.



    At that time, a local boy walking by the lake Kurtna Matasjarv noticed tank tracks leading into the lake, but not coming out anywhere. For two months he saw air bubbles emerging from the lake. This gave him reason to believe that there must be an armoured vehicle at the lake’s bottom. A few years ago, he told the story to the leader of the local war history club “Otsing”. Together with other club members, Mr Igor Shedunov initiated diving expeditions to the bottom of the lake about a year ago. At the depth of 7 metres they discovered the tank resting under a 3-metre layer of peat. [this is apparently what preserved it so well -- Jon B.]



    Enthusiasts from the club, under Mr Shedunov’s leadership, decided to pull the tank out. In September 2000 they turned to Mr Aleksander Borovkovthe, manager of the Narva open pit of the stock company AS Eesti Polevkivi, to rent the company’s Komatsu D375A-2 bulldozer. Currently used at the pit, the Komatsu dozer was manufactured in 1995, and has 19,000 operating hours without major repairs.



    The pulling operation began at 09:00 and was concluded at 15:00, with several technical breaks. The weight of the tank, combined with the travel incline, made a pulling operation that required significant muscle. The D375A-2 handled the operation with power and style. The weight of the fully armed tank was around 30 tons, so the tractive force required to retrieve it was similar. A main requirement for the 68-tonne dozer was to have enough weight to prevent shoe-slip while moving up the hill.



    After the tank surfaced, it turned out to be a ‘trophy’ tank, that had been captured by the German army in the course of the battle at Sinimaed (Blue Hills) about six weeks before it was sunk in the lake. Altogether, 116 shells were found on board. Remarkably, the tank was in good condition, with no rust, and all systems (except the engine) in working condition. [the website reports that, some time later, the engine was started without replacing any of its parts.]
  • faustmbfaustmb
    Posts: 1,107Platinum Member
    That is a cool story. There is a legend of a steam locomotive in a swamp where near where I grew up, fell off the tracks in a flood. Nobody has been able to prove or disprove it either way.



    Thanks for posting all of the pictures & story.



    Matt
  • SamJSamJ
    Posts: 1,405Platinum Member
    Tanks a lot...:D
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  • 4Hud4Hud
    Posts: 149Expert Adviser
    A friend of mine was part of a recovery crew that extracted a Case steam traction engine from a lake here in Alberta, it is now a static display outside of a museum.
  • RL ChiltonRL Chilton
    Posts: 3,458Platinum Member
    Did you notice that they mentioned (and the pictures show) what remarkable shape the tank was in, little to no rust? To boot, the painted insiginia is still on the side in remarkable shape as well. I've heard many stories about creek and river banks getting "shored up" with old cars to keep the banks from eroding and having the river change it's course. There have been many people who are now digging the shored up cars out of the banks and are being amazed at what they find, including rare marques. And, "remarkably", as the article said . . . NO RUST!! That's simply because the air can't get to the buried metal. It's almost better to start with one of these than it is to find one that's been in the open for decades . . . better shape, so to speak.
  • 66patrick6666patrick66
    Posts: 1,831Platinum Member
    That is an amazing state of preservation! There was almost no oxygen down at that level to cause decay and rot!



    Have you guys ever seen the Discovery show "Tank Restorers" or something like that. They do some incredible things, and they'd have a field day with this one.



    Another WWII artifact recovered.
    "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to speak of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot,
    And whether pigs have wings..."