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Daimler-Chrysler Hornet coming?
  • Harry HillHarry Hill
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    Not really but it could be, it just dawned on me today that AMC was purchased by Chrysler a few years back and Chrysler probably got the rights to use the Hornet name with the purchase. Since AMC almost ruined the name with the last Hornet they produced Chrysler would have to come up with a real stunner. But it could come one day and if it was based on the 300 power train and size it might be a good seller.



    Harry
  • Dave53-7C
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    With Chrysler being operationally bankrupt, the chance of them producing a new and improved Hornet are slim to none.
  • 7XPacemaker
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    Harry Hill wrote:
    Not really but it could be, it just dawned on me today that AMC was purchased by Chrysler a few years back and Chrysler probably got the rights to use the Hornet name with the purchase. Since AMC almost ruined the name with the last Hornet they produced Chrysler would have to come up with a real stunner. But it could come one day and if it was based on the 300 power train and size it might be a good seller.



    Harry



    I kind of disagree with the AMC statement. 1977 was the last year of the Hornet. Available for the Hornet was the AMX package. Improved steering (3.3 turns lock to lock), heavier sway bars and a V8 package was available. All of these options were available on the standard Hornet as well. These cars actually handled pretty well and were fairly comfortable. Not to mention, they were a fairly cheap car to buy. The Hornet was the forerunner of the Eagle, which also sat on the standard 108 inch wheelbase. I currently drive an AMC Concord back and forth to work. Round trip is 84 miles a day. I have been doing so for over 50,000 miles. It's hard to beat a 7 main bearing 6 cylinder. Those engines have developed a cult like following. I have $1200 in the car and get 25 MPG in it. I love AMC, as they were the LAST independent. It seems that when Hudson closed its doors, most Hudson guys went to AMC. As a kid, I remember going to Hudson meets and most of the "Brand X" cars were Hornets, Concords, Eagles, Jeeps, and Matadors. Just my thoughts- I am not trying to sway people into thinking what I think........
  • faustmbfaustmb
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    7XPacemaker wrote:
    It seems that when Hudson closed its doors, most Hudson guys went to AMC. As a kid, I remember going to Hudson meets and most of the "Brand X" cars were Hornets, Concords, Eagles, Jeeps, and Matadors. Just my thoughts- I am not trying to sway people into thinking what I think........



    I remember a whole of AMC's around too. My granda had a few rambler wagons for his daily drivers. Those 6 cylinder engines are about bulletproof. In my young(er) and stupid(er) days, I drove an Eagle wagon with no coolant (not low, Zero coolant), until the engine got so hot it locked up. It made a terrible noise and that was it, or so I thought. I left it for dead, came back a few days later expecting to tow it away. It started right up and ran fine. I patched the hole I tore in the radiator and drove it few more months before selling it off. The new owners drove it around a few more years before I quit seeing it around.
  • MikeWAMikeWA
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    Seems like there was some ridiculous looking little thing Chrysler was going to call a Hornet, with a couple of threads about it a year of so ago. Wonder what happened with it?
  • Dave53-7C
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    It went the way of the Dodo bird.
  • 66patrick6666patrick66
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    That Hornet was purely a styling exercise, but there WAS talk of having that car built in Red China for the North American market.



    I'm just grateful the Hitler Youth at D-C running (ruining, too!) Chrysler sold Chrysler to Cerebrus, a Canadian holding company. Chrysler is doing much better with real American car guys at the helm, and not a bunch of friggin' Krauts trying to "get even" for WWII - never mind their fathers started it!



    With the reorganizing of the product line (Pacifica, PT ragtop, and the Magnum are dropped), and the debut of the Challenger and a new '09 1/2-ton Diesel pickup, the Chrysler, LLC organization is far from "operational bankruptcy", as Dave put it.



    And Cerebrus owns the Nash, Hudson, and AMC nameplates now, BTW, NOT Daimler. It's the way things go.
    "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to speak of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot,
    And whether pigs have wings..."
  • Dave53-7C
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    66patrick66 wrote:
    That Hornet was purely a styling exercise, but there WAS talk of having that car built in Red China for the North American market.



    I'm just grateful the Hitler Youth at D-C running (ruining, too!) Chrysler sold Chrysler to Cerebrus, a Canadian holding company. Chrysler is doing much better with real American car guys at the helm, and not a bunch of friggin' Krauts trying to "get even" for WWII - never mind their fathers started it!



    With the reorganizing of the product line (Pacifica, PT ragtop, and the Magnum are dropped), and the debut of the Challenger and a new '09 1/2-ton Diesel pickup, the Chrysler, LLC organization is far from "operational bankruptcy", as Dave put it.



    And Cerebrus owns the Nash, Hudson, and AMC nameplates now, BTW, NOT Daimler. It's the way things go.



    Better do your homework and read the following link. :) BTW, Cerberus is an American company.



    http://money.cnn.com/2007/12/21/news/companies/chrysler/index.htm?postversion=2007122107
  • 66patrick6666patrick66
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    Everything I've read indicated them as Canadian-based.



    I take CNN-based info as less-than-ideal. Plus, that's two months old, to boot!
    "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to speak of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot,
    And whether pigs have wings..."
  • Harry HillHarry Hill
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    Guys, this all started out because I was bored so I thought I would make something up for the discussion board. Who would have thought there was anything to it. Maybe if Chrysler resurrects the Hornet name the same thing will happen to Chrysler that happened to the rest and they will go under for good.



    Harry
  • 37 Terraplane#237 Terraplane#2
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    What they need to do is build a car as good as their trucks. I got one with 120,000 on it and I think the thing is gonna outlive me. 1995 4 wheel drive model, V8 gas, Uses zero oil and still solid as a rock !! At the same time they were building cars that just kinda fell apart one peice at a time !!
  • Dave53-7C
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    66patrick66 wrote:
    Everything I've read indicated them as Canadian-based.I take CNN-based info as less-than-ideal.* Plus, that's two months old, to boot!



    After the three headed dog from hell bought my wife's company and trashed it last year, I know volumes about Cerberus and how they work. Alternatively, you can contact them (in New York) at the following link and ask for yourself.



    http://www.cerberuscapital.com/contact.html



    Don't like CNN? Then use the link below and pick a source you like better. The interviews with the Chrysler CEO all report the same thing, Chrysler IS operationally bankrupt.



    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=chrysler+operationally+bankrupt



    Although it's been a whopping two months since the interview, Chrysler is still operationally bankrupt.
  • faustmbfaustmb
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    37 Terraplane#2 wrote:
    What they need to do is build a car as good as their trucks. I got one with 120,000 on it and I think the thing is gonna outlive me. 1995 4 wheel drive model, V8 gas, Uses zero oil and still solid as a rock !! At the same time they were building cars that just kinda fell apart one peice at a time !!



    I thought that was the case, but a friend of mine bought a new '04 1500 4wd truck. He has had nothing but problems. It's on the second rebuild of the second rear end with just now 70k on it. The first one went at less that 30K. He has also had serious brake issues. The only thing he's ever pulled with it is a pop-up camper. It was a real disappoinment for me to learn this, I always liked Dodge rucks. I guess he got a lemon. He's in the middle of a law-suit over it now.



    As far as the Hornet, it'd be a better name for the Magnum or the new charger.



    Matt
  • `Hudsonator`Hudsonator
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    I have a Chrysler 300 w/ V6. It does have an 'updated' computer chip that was supposed to hoss it up to 255hp. Rather than hossing it up, it seemed to improve the gas milage "Thank GOD".



    So far, I give it top billing amongst the newer cars I've owned. We've had it since 2005 with no problems whatsoever. Its getting 25+ mpg around here and we clocked 32 mpg on the interstate travelling at 80mph most of the time.



    Economy in relative style, hard to beat in my book. It also shares an uncanny resemblence to my Wasp's beltline, side window height, and roof height. I actually think it is the stepdown of the time. Its almost as tenacious, that bodystyle has hung around a while now.



    I did hang my head low when AMC went away. The Commanche pickup truck was, and still is, the damn toughest truck ever built in its class. They looked good too. I could tell stories, but won't. I've never owned a truck that could pull what it would - even trucks rated much higher.



    Mark
    Gimme a Hudson, with that "Instant Action"
  • Harry HillHarry Hill
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    Mark,



    one of my employees has a 2008 Chrysler 300, he had it parked next to my 55 Hornet the other day, it looked like my Hornets grandson, same grill, same basic lines. It is amazing how much they resemble each other.



    Harry
  • walts garage-53
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    `Hudsonator wrote:
    I have a Chrysler 300 w/ V6. It does have an 'updated' computer chip that was supposed to hoss it up to 255hp. Rather than hossing it up, it seemed to improve the gas milage "Thank GOD".



    So far, I give it top billing amongst the newer cars I've owned. We've had it since 2005 with no problems whatsoever. Its getting 25+ mpg around here and we clocked 32 mpg on the interstate travelling at 80mph most of the time.



    Economy in relative style, hard to beat in my book. It also shares an uncanny resemblence to my Wasp's beltline, side window height, and roof height. I actually think it is the stepdown of the time. Its almost as tenacious, that bodystyle has hung around a while now.



    I did hang my head low when AMC went away. The Commanche pickup truck was, and still is, the damn toughest truck ever built in its class. They looked good too. I could tell stories, but won't. I've never owned a truck that could pull what it would - even trucks rated much higher.



    Mark
    Walt here, I bought a new 1987 Jeep Commache in Florida and used it to tow my trailer to Alaska in 88. Towed with it till 1995 when we moved to San Francisco by orders of daughter and son in law as they said we should be close to one of our children. Do you get the pitch here. As of today Feb 18th 2008 the truck has 234,450 miles and still no motor work has been done and truck is still all the same as the day I bought it. Get 22 miles per gallon driving our traffic here. Who could ask for a better truck?
  • 66patrick6666patrick66
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    I've got a '96 3500 Cummins 4x2 that I've put 166K miles on, plus an '06 PT ragtop that my wife loves. No complaints about the "operationally bankrupt" Chrysler products from me.
    "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to speak of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot,
    And whether pigs have wings..."
  • Dave53-7C
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    Ah, that explains the defensiveness.
  • 66patrick6666patrick66
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    Not defensive at all - I've been driving Mopars since 1972.
    "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to speak of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot,
    And whether pigs have wings..."
  • Dave53-7C
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    Uh huh. And why have you chosen Chryslerberus products over all others for the past 36 years? Was it price, performance, ease of service, freedom from trouble?
  • Steve E.
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    Yeah, talk about a TOUGH engine. About 1966 I was working as a mechanic in a Texaco station. A customer had a 65 , I think , Rambler classic towed in. It had the 232 engine in it. He'd gotten it so danged hot it locked up and wantyed to know if we could fix it. I told him i'd pull the head and take a look inside. I got the head off and it had two burned exhaust valves. We had the head redone and put it back together, changed the oil and filter. It started right up and ran like a top for YEARS. BTW when it was towed in the oil on the outside of the engine was smoking/ smoldering and stunk like hell. Saw that car around for about 10 more years after that, bet the rings seated in REAL GOOD! It sure made a believer out of me for the AMC designed and built engines.
  • 66patrick6666patrick66
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    Yes to all. Plus, they are a lot more fun to drive than most.
    "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to speak of many things. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. And why the sea is boiling hot,
    And whether pigs have wings..."
  • Dave53-7C
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    Then let's hear it for vehicles made in the USA...Yea!
  • `Hudsonator`Hudsonator
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    It is very spooky to park a stepdown nose to nose with a Chrysler 300 and follow the horizontal lines one from the other.



    What's more, take a good look at the dashes, and where the key switch is located - just like the 51-53 Hudsons.



    If the stepdown has modern legacy, its the 300 Chrysler.





    Walt knows the Commanche, evidently. There is a '87 Commanche in my Dad's driveway right now. Its definitely not babied around, and has seen some tough farm service - and still pullin' a load of feed every two weeks in winter. Chrysler should have kept it, and junked the Dakota at the time of the merger. That 242 6 cylinder engine is amazing, and considered the highest horsepower capable American designed 6 cylinder of all time. There are probably as many devotees to the AMC 4.0 as us Hornet fanatics.



    Mark
    Gimme a Hudson, with that "Instant Action"
  • 7XPacemaker
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    I had an '87 Comanche too. The Peugeot five speed manual transmission with the Bellows type slave cylinder is/was a real joke. The engine ran great, but I think that the throw on the worn out transmission was comparible to an old freightliner truck! My next engine build is going to be a 4.0 liter with a 258 crankshaft. It is going into my other Concord.
  • SamJSamJ
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    [QUOTE=`

    Walt knows the Commanche, evidently. There is a '87 Commanche in my Dad's driveway right now. Its definitely not babied around, and has seen some tough farm service - and still pullin' a load of feed every two weeks in winter. Chrysler should have kept it, and junked the Dakota at the time of the merger. That 242 6 cylinder engine is amazing, and considered the highest horsepower capable American designed 6 cylinder of all time. There are probably as many devotees to the AMC 4.0 as us Hornet fanatics.



    Mark[/QUOTE]



    I've been looking for a Commanche off and on, and I can't find one for sale...let alone a nice one. I've had 2 Cherokees, and that 6 is a great engine. My son has a '91 2-door that he's been driving since high school, 8 years ago. This summer he drove it from Gritty Waffle to Ithaca, NY (3,000 miles) where he goes to grad school. It's got 331,000 miles on it and used 2 quarts of oil on the trip. If the head's been off it, it was before he got it. I've been very happy with the 318 (5.2L) mill in my Grand Cherokee, too...156,000 miles, seems like its just nicely broken in. :cool:
    HETfortyqtpi@earthlink.net (drop the HET)

  • Harry HillHarry Hill
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    Sam; is that the same 318 Dodge used in their trucks for so many years? If so that engine is bullet proof, I had one in a 62 Dodge truck that would have lived forever if the dang truck hadn't fallen apart around it.



    Harry
  • Nevada HudsonNevada Hudson
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    Dodge dealers lobbied Chrysler to drop the Commanche, as they thought it would take away sales from their trucks. I was told this by a dealer who sold Jeeps.