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- 37 Terraplane#2 December 2007
- 46HudsonPU December 2007
- 51hornetA December 2007
- bellbigdawg December 2007
- blaiser December 2007
- Browniepetersen December 2007
- Dave53-7C December 2007
- dustymaxhudson December 2007
- faustmb December 2007
- glens46golden December 2007
- Harry Hill December 2007
- hoosiercrosley December 2007
- hudsondad December 2007
- hudsonguy December 2007
- hudsonkid December 2007
- hudsontech December 2007
- JasonNC December 2007
- Jon B December 2007
- junkcarfann December 2007
- Nevada Hudson December 2007
- nhp1127 December 2007
- Ray December 2007
- Ron P December 2007
- royer December 2007
- Sarah Young December 2007
Who else got ripped off?
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About six or eight weeks ago, a guy from Fairdale, Ky. listed on ebay a 1951 four door that was in S.D. He was intending to drive to S.D. to remove parts to sell. I sent him $200.00 and I've never heard from him. He will not acknowledge my emails. Did anyone else get taken? I'd like to get a list to send the postmaster. Feel free to email me at GMC46golden@aol.com if you want his name, etc.
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Fairdale Ky is a suburb of Louiseville, it's about 1000 mile to S.D. from there and sounds like a long way to go to get parts to sell, Could be he had a THANKSGIVEING TRIP TO RELATIVES PLANED AND IS'NT HOME but up there. As long as you do'nt say anything improper I see no reason not to post what info you have on him,could be some local chapter guys know him . I think the local chapter Pres. lives in Fairdale. Bear in mind he may be in S.D. now is the reason he does'nt answer.
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Not a good feeling, is it?
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I would call him if you haven't already he may be ill. Who knows so its not a ripoff until you 100% confirm it.www.hudsonmotorcar.org
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I emailed him about some chrome parts, and he never emailed me back.
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True confessions from Somewhere West of Salt... I have been playing with cars and buying parts for the better part of fifty years. I consider some of my favorite moments spend in a car lot picking through the cast off engineering of past days. I have been selling parts for about two weeks now. In that short time I have been selling parts I have been able to make three of my seven customers mad. Knowing that mad lasts a life time I have made an important decision--I am out of the selling business part of the old car hobby. If I have a part that I do not need--it is free to anyone that wants it. With that said, I have to say how much I appreciate those who do sell parts. They are the life line of our hobby. Those hard to find parts have become easy to find because of the eBay and parts dealers. I do not know any of these folks that are getting rich on what they have. But I do know that the honest ones stay in business a long time and are great to deal with. I honor them and hope they continue for a long time. Just my opinion....Brownie
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It is truely sad that there are those in this that would cast even a shadow on someone such as Brownie, in my opinion he's one of the best .I got some parts from him I hunted high and low for and was delighted to get them, and at a very good price,And I don't have BIG BUCKS to toss around.
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Brownie;
I manage an equipment rental yard, and I can honestly tell you that it is impossible to make everyone happy. Even when you end up giving things away someone will find a way to get mad about it. On the other hand there are customers who make it their purpose in life to take advantage of honest business people.
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Likewise, there are those seller that take advantage of unknowing customers as well. They ride on their "established" reputation, and I guess they figure there are enough people out there that will come to their defense.
What is interesting, when the time comes, and one of those such sellers gets taken advantage of, you can't feel too bad.
See my signature links, these are GREAT hudson sellers, no problems from me. Hudsonkid gives this bunch two thumbs up. Best advice, ask on this board about someone, before giving them your hard earned money. The hudson community is small, and someone on here will tell you one way or another. If you find some negative reviews, per se, I suggest you ask the person in question to share what they did to appease the unhappy party, and ask the unhappy party whether that is true. -
I've said it before. It is a small Hudson world and everyone will know about happy and not so happy campers.
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It's a strange world, this old car hobby. Over the years I've bought much from ebay - and only have had two "problems". In both cases I rcvd what I bought, tho it took about a month or so - in one case it was the Canadian postal service, the other I never did figure out.
I said "two" problems - recently there was a 3rd. About 2 months back I bid on a copy of a 1941 parts list - something to digitize. Sent in my money, have never heard from the seller again. Curiously the seller had a very good track record, up until about the time I had my problem - there is the possiblity of family problems. In any event, on this one, after several emails, I just wrote it off - the item was 88 cents, the shipping $4 and change. Curious to get burned on such a low buck item.
As for dealing with Hudson folks - have only had one problem in over 35 years. Person bought something from me at a meet, was a little short on cash, was going to send the payment, never did. I'll think the best and say they forgot. It wasn't much anyway. I just hope they found the item useful.
All in all, a pretty damn good record over the past 35 years.
Hudsonly,
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From>>>>>>>>>>>james Coats ??????????????
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Alex, I had the "short on cash" done to me also. BAD situation, where I buy lots of parts , got the best mgr/parts guy I know. Tried to help out a young fella works there. Later found out he pulls that crap every chance he gets.
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I had a funny one where I bought a 39 Hudson radio the guy sends me an email saying its too heavy I don't want to take it to post office so if its ok with you lets just forget the auction. I laughed what can you do?www.hudsonmotorcar.org
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There are still people out there who think a 40 to 50 year old used engine or body part should look like it's brand new. I guess they haven't looked in the mirror and seen how things age!:eek:
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Tell that to Jay Leno.
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from>>>>>>>ron nimtz ????????????????
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Brownie,
That's a good story. I can totally relate. I've been selling primarily NORS parts on eBay since February. Last month I only made one person mad so it gets better. I've sold hundreds of items to people in 15 different countries. I meet a lot of great folks and have a lot of fun. If you enjoy selling parts you might want to keep trying. It hard sometimes but try not to take it personal. And no, I'm not getting rich but I did buy some new body tools for working on my 47 Dodge 1/2 ton. -
I've been selling on eBay for about, uh... the beginning. I sold under the user name hudson dad has now, then created my own. Perfect feedback, on every transaction always. When I sell I make it a point to make sure the buyer is happy, no matter what. I don't overcharge for shipping, and usually lose money on shipping, just to make sure, I don't charge handling fees, and I don't hesitate to listen to the buyer, and make it right regardless of what I have to do.
I sold a vintage pen to a guy in Georgia, it made it to the post office, as per the item tracking, then "got lost" I didn't think it was my fault, and he was upset, that the PO lost his item. I told him I felt bad, and if e had some time, I would replace the item at my cost, and did. It took me several months to find the right nib, and pen, not an expensive item but a very hard to find combination, and made the situation right, even though I might have broken even or lost money on the venture, I felt I did the right thing.
It all comes down to what degree you want to service the buyer. A great seller has no limits for customer satisfaction. I treat every buyer I have exactly how I want to be treated. It all comes down to the golden rule.
Now that I write this in the back of my head, I thought, geez, if matt comes on here, as says where's my 6volt tach transmitter.... It's been here for months, and I still have not finished it up. he's gonna kick my butt... At least I got something to work on this weekend. -
hudsonkid wrote:I've been selling on eBay for about, uh... the beginning. I sold under the user name hudson dad has now, then created my own. Perfect feedback, on every transaction always. When I sell I make it a point to make sure the buyer is happy, no matter what. I don't overcharge for shipping, and usually lose money on shipping, just to make sure, I don't charge handling fees, and I don't hesitate to listen to the buyer, and make it right regardless of what I have to do.
I sold a vintage pen to a guy in Georgia, it made it to the post office, as per the item tracking, then "got lost" I didn't think it was my fault, and he was upset, that the PO lost his item. I told him I felt bad, and if e had some time, I would replace the item at my cost, and did. It took me several months to find the right nib, and pen, not an expensive item but a very hard to find combination, and made the situation right, even though I might have broken even or lost money on the venture, I felt I did the right thing.
It all comes down to what degree you want to service the buyer. A great seller has no limits for customer satisfaction. I treat every buyer I have exactly how I want to be treated. It all comes down to the golden rule.
Now that I write this in the back of my head, I thought, geez, if matt comes on here, as says where's my 6volt tach transmitter.... It's been here for months, and I still have not finished it up. he's gonna kick my butt... At least I got something to work on this weekend.
Got two 'bad' feedbacks on my account - one as a seller, one as a buyer...
- The guy that left me bad feedback bid on my item, but didn't pay me for it... (He found another, cheaper). He claimed I was charging too much on shipping, but it was 'up front' in the auction, and I was loosing $$ on the shipping too! He actually paid more for shipping on the one he did buy from someone else, but paid less overall... The 'topper' of this is that he outbid OTHERS for my item, and was buying the item to resell!
- The seller that left me 'bad' feedback did not give me a refund when the item I bought was damaged by UPS in shipping. He claimed the loss thru UPS, got the money, and kept it. THEN, he claimed I was too cheap to buy insurance (all UPS shipments are automatically insured, up to $100, and this was much less - about $20, not including shipping costs).
The moral of this tale - There are BUTT HOLES everywhere, and sometimes there is no way to avoid them... -
The moral of this tale - There are BUTT HOLES everywhere, and sometimes there is no way to avoid them...
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Leaving bad feedback on ebay is pointless. I give everyone that buys from me or I buy from the same 5 star rating. The reason, leaving bad feedback only hurts me and like others here have stated, its better to bend over backwards to make things right. As a point, I leave positive feedback at the time of sale....right away, before I get the item or ship it. It may sound crazy, but it works for me. Happy ebaying!!!
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Before this is all over I have a feeling that I will be able to upset all seven of my buyers. PayPal has me all messed up and I seem to spend all day on hold trying to solve the problem speaking with out of country assistance from folks that speak English as a third language. There has to be a light at the end of this tunnel and a rainbow somewhere...Brownie
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Well Brownie, if you're dealing with e-bay the light at the end of the tunnel is in Sri Lanka, good luck Sahib.
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admin wrote:
Glad this works for you, and I applaud you for leaving feedback - before receiving feedback from the 'buyer' - there are very few sellers that do this...Leaving bad feedback on ebay is pointless. I give everyone that buys from me or I buy from the same 5 star rating. The reason, leaving bad feedback only hurts me and like others here have stated, its better to bend over backwards to make things right. As a point, I leave positive feedback at the time of sale....right away, before I get the item or ship it. It may sound crazy, but it works for me. Happy ebaying!!!
I try to do this as well, but will wait until I have been paid (and payment clears), before leaving any feedback or shipping their purchase...
I will admit, I HAVE left negative feedback, but it was well deserved, and only done after ALL other alternatives and avenues had been tried. In situations where you want to get your 'posting fees' back from eBay, I believe they require you to post negative feedback first - or at least submit a NPB (Non-Paying Bidder) complaint. And - PayPal (an eBay subsidiary) requires submission of a complaint within 30 days in order to get your $$ back - should a transaction go 'south'... -
glens46golden wrote:About six or eight weeks ago, a guy from Fairdale, Ky. listed on ebay a 1951 four door that was in S.D. He was intending to drive to S.D. to remove parts to sell. I sent him $200.00 and I've never heard from him. He will not acknowledge my emails. Did anyone else get taken? I'd like to get a list to send the postmaster. Feel free to email me at GMC46golden@aol.com if you want his name, etc.
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We're workin on it,may have some info 12th---13th
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For the most part, I've had great success buying old parts for my Hudson & Kaiser. It may not have been the vendor's fault, but the first time I got ripped off was when I sent parts to a guy here in NC to fix and he claimed he returned, but they were obviously lost in the mail. It always stuck in my craw that I've ordered parts from CA, MO, CO, OH, IN MI, WI, SC and NY and the only time something got lost in the mail was in my home state. The last time I got the shaft was I called a guy CO about a part and he told me it was $50.00. I called a few days later to get the shipping amount and it had gone up to $75.00. Guess I must have insulted him when I didn't order it immediately.
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Several days ago this came up and generated quite a few comments. I' want to bring it back on top so all will see what has happened here.We've had some ,at least at this point, good results . I'm going to let Glenn detail things for you as he is the one most deeply involved/concerned. He will do so in the next day or 2, needs to sort things out a bit first . What I think we should all do is consider everything he has to say, and place ourself in the shoes of both of these guys had it been us it happened to and react accordingly
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hudsonkid wrote:Now that I write this in the back of my head, I thought, geez, if matt comes on here, as says where's my 6volt tach transmitter.... It's been here for months, and I still have not finished it up. he's gonna kick my butt... At least I got something to work on this weekend.
I wasn't going to bring it up, but now that you mention it... Just kidding. I got my hands full, just bought a house, selling the old house, moving etc. If you had sent it, it would have ended up at the wrong address anyway:)
I have sold many car parts on line, and most of time things went well. There were a few times that people were't happy, and I did what I could to make them happy (refund parts$ plus shipping etc). I'm not looking to burn anyone. When it comes down to it, it is very hard to please everyone. It might take me a few days to get something packed up, but I also don't charge for packing and sell at good prices. Selling like this is not really something I enjoy, so I try not to do it too much. I'm with Brownie on this one- It's my least favorite part of the hobby.
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faustmb wrote:I wasn't going to bring it up, but now that you mention it... Just kidding. I got my hands full, just bought a house, selling the old house, moving etc. If you had sent it, it would have ended up at the wrong address anyway:)
I have sold many car parts on line, and most of time things went well. There were a few times that people were't happy, and I did what I could to make them happy (refund parts$ plus shipping etc). I'm not looking to burn anyone. When it comes down to it, it is very hard to please everyone. It might take me a few days to get something packed up, but I also don't charge for packing and sell at good prices. Selling like this is not really something I enjoy, so I try not to do it too much. I'm with Brownie on this one- It's my least favorite part of the hobby.
Matt
yeah, i opened this one up the other night, and it is different than mine, in my car. I think I want hudsondad to look at it, get me a list of what I need to replace, and what I need to do to get a functioning cell in it, so it will transmit for you. Otherwise, if you feel good about it, I can send it, as is... but it is nicer for that extra touch....
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Try to buy from known websites and/or individuals whenever possible. When you're purchasing from an unknown or questionable source, only spend what you're willing to walk away from. As an eBay seller, my husband and I had around 100 auctions close this past week. Although we try to be as accurate as we can in our descriptions, have detailed pictures, and fair shipping... we EXPECT there to be at least one unsatisfied person (who usually read or assumed something wrong on their part, but why take the blame when you can complain).
Another thing to consider when you're wondering why your item hasn't arrived or why the seller, or even buyer, isn't returning calls or e-mails... Where are they located? Sometimes we're too quick to assume the worst. With all the stuff I've seen on the news the last month or two, what recent catastrophies have occured in their area? Severe California wildfires? Western Washington flooding? These people may be cut off from communication or simply have higher priorities like saving their family and home.Take a Ride in a Hudson Jet! -
37 Terraplane#2 wrote:Several days ago this came up and generated quite a few comments. I' want to bring it back on top so all will see what has happened here.We've had some ,at least at this point, good results . I'm going to let Glenn detail things for you as he is the one most deeply involved/concerned. He will do so in the next day or 2, needs to sort things out a bit first . What I think we should all do is consider everything he has to say, and place ourself in the shoes of both of these guys had it been us it happened to and react accordingly
Lets get this back to Glens original post , there are nearly 2000 veiws on this ,that's about 1400 more than any recent post and what has happened needs to be told to all of those people due to coments posted. Glen has told me he will post the final results of our efforts,give it a bit more time so we're sure we got it right. -
Thanks to 37 Terraplane #2, who lives near the problem I discussed at the start of this thread. The problem seems to be working itself out. It seems that when the seller went to S.D. to remove parts from the 1951 Hornet, the temperature was in the 30's and it was raining...so no parts were removed. After returning home, he found that his computer crashed and he lost my name and address. At this time, I think this will be worked out satisfactorily.
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OK, I'd like to add a bit to this now. I had a very pleasant face to face conversation with Mike Sutton and his wife. In my opinion they are very honest and hardworking people who are going to do what is needed to correct problems that were not really any fault of theirs. The crash thing happened to me and I'm sure others. Not much you can do about it except learn a lesson. BACK UP THE IMPORTANT STUFF. I simply print out all my contacts. if anything goes AWOL I can then check with all of them. ALSO--While it is important that Glen receives what is due him it is equally important that we spread the word that Mike Sutton is NOT a disshonest seller in vue of other comments made here that might lead one to think otherwise. I personally would have no fear of doing bussiness with him. Bud
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I'm glad that everything is being cleared up here. I was worried that someone of good standing in the hudson community was having a bad experience with another person in the same community.
I would hate to think that someone would post a bad experience about a seller on this forum, and the seller would not take opportunity to be able to publically correct the issues at hand, or even address it properly on the forum as a reply.
I hope that one day perhaps other sellers in question are able to take to task the same issues of concern with customers that felt they got wronged in transactions past. You got to love the forum, it sure lets the truth come out.
I just find it amazing how issues arise with dealings gone bad, and unhappy customers, and nothing gets done in those situations, then perhaps in a strange turn of fate, same thing happens, but the tables are turned, and everyone is expected to have a grand outpouring of sympathy and concern.
To end this post, I guess it is good to know that Mike Sutton is an honest seller, and there should be no fear to do business with him. I had no doubt, about Mike Sutton. From reading this thread, and others in the past, I have my doubts about others, though.
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In the same spirit as with Glen, I have now finished all my transactions with those (my first six eBay customers) that I have been selling items from my parts car to on eBay. We had a mix-up with pay pall and it took a bit of time to get everything stright. I have used the methods that most of you have suggested in your dealings and it has also worked well for me. Thanks to all of you for your sage advice. With one customer I stuck my head out (and pocket book) with the idea that if my customer did not pay, it was not that much to be out. Funny thing, after it all finished up, we have a good relationship. Expect to meet him on my next business trip out to Florida. Time seems to bring out the best in honest people when dealing on eBay.
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I hope all this works out too. Did Mike give Glen a time frame on when he can expect his parts. It seem to me that the parts are a long way from Mike and unless he plans on going right back after the parts Glen could be without his money a long time and eventually never see anything for his efforts. I guess I'm just naturally paranoid and worry when excuses start getting made for why no effort has been made yet. Of course I'm not privy to the private conversations here and if Glen is happy with the current situation we should all just wait and see if this eventually gets done.
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Harry , A lot of time and effort went into resolveing this matter, it HAS BEEN DONE. The guy is an honest seller so please don't start any more doubts . I know some of the details but those are between Glen and Mike and not any concern of any of the rest of us. Let this end as Brownie's situation did, with an even more solid relationship than otherwise would have been
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I had the choice of having my money returned or a friend of the seller in S.D. removing parts and sending them to me.
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Glen;
if it's worked out to your satisfaction then all is well. You don't need me or any other members on this forum telling you what is satisfactory to you.
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Maybe in future we can try to think of a more constructive title for a thread than "Who else got ripped off"www.hudsonmotorcar.org
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Sure, maybe something along the lines of "A question of ethics."
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YUP, you guys are right on a better way to bring up such matters. Once the BAD MOUTH stuff gets started it seems to spread like wildfire. There's always the means to come down on somebody AFTER it has been shown it is warranted. And always remember,this sort of thing could easily happen to any of us . DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO UNTO YOU !! I am very proud of the responses from forum members in clearing Mikes name, it is what we are as a group. Thanks to all for that.
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Dave53-7C wrote:Sure, maybe something along the lines of "A question of ethics."
I don't think it was a question of ethics when it started. Glen asked if anyone else had bought parts from this person and not heard from him again. Until the members of this forum got involved he had a pretty good case made to having been ripped off. In the end it has been proven not to be the case but if this all hadn't happened it would have been a legitimate question. I don't remember that Glen ever mentioned Mikes name in his original post, so it appears he was only asking if anyone else had been a victim. Maybe everyone's getting a little too sensitive. I'm sure Mike will make everything okay with Glen and we've all learned how important it is to keep records of who we are selling things to so if our computers crash we can still make contact. If nothing else Glens question created a lot of views and kept us all interested in the outcome.
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37 Terraplane#2 wrote:YUP, you guys are right on a better way to bring up such matters. Once the BAD MOUTH stuff gets started it seems to spread like wildfire. There's always the means to come down on somebody AFTER it has been shown it is warranted. And always remember,this sort of thing could easily happen to any of us . DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERS DO UNTO YOU !! I am very proud of the responses from forum members in clearing Mikes name, it is what we are as a group. Thanks to all for that.
uhhhh. well, Mike's name may have been cleared, but geez, if you read this entire thread, all 5 pages of it at this point, and the links contained, you will see that we still got someone with some name "clearing" to do....
as far as thread titles, Dave and 51Hornet, how about....
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HUDSON KID, you qouted me ??, that's OK but you lost me. You say we still have someone with some name "clearing " to do ? I thought we had ALL of this thing resolved and pretty well agreed there are more diplomatic ways to check into things. I certainly don't want to get any more unpleasant stuff going but If someone else got stepped on in the process you're right in saying we need to clear it up and get this thing out of our minds. Get back to shareing info and haveing a bit of fun now and then. If it's something you noticed between a couple of members it might be best to let them deal with it priveatly rather than air it out in the forum. THE GOLDEN RULE SHOULD ALWAYS APPLY ON THIS FORUM and in our daily lives.
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Remember there are other ways to communicate besides computer email. Maybe a phone call or even snail mail could have saved this thread for some other deserving person like James Coats. Witch I understand have been tried. Ron
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hudsonkid wrote:uhhhh. well, Mike's name may have been cleared, but geez, if you read this entire thread, all 5 pages of it at this point, and the links contained, you will see that we still got someone with some name "clearing" to do....
as far as thread titles, Dave and 51Hornet, how about....
"Remember the golden rule"
I think the "golden" rule may have different standards to some people, but certainly applies in many cases. It sure doesn't apply to everyone that sells on ebay, which is too bad for the majority of sellers that do a terrific job and treat EVERY auction with the highest standards.
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