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In this Discussion
- billjharris June 2006
- iwantav8 June 2006
- jsrail June 2006
- Martin200 June 2006
- mrsbojigger July 2006
- rambos_ride June 2006
- Tarzie July 2006
Restoration vs. Rodding vs Customizing
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Given the choice, would you rather restore an old car, hot rod it, or customize it?
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Really depends on the availability or rarity, price, and condition.
Although a restoration may not cost a lot more than a high dollar custom/hot-rod these days - you'll be into a restoration for a lot more time and effort in the long run trying to source enough original parts to do a meaningful restoration. -
Gawd, I could spend all day diatribing this subject. Overall, I would prefer to restore a car to correct specs and color. Of course there are the unavoidables such as paint and tires. I would use polyurethane--enamel chips too easily (I speak from experience) and lacquer is too expensive, nobody wants to handle it due to the environmental hazards, it hates gasoline, and will eventually spider-crack. As for tires, if it were some very rare classic, like a Rolls Silver Ghost/Wraith, Reo Royale/Flying Cloud, Pierce-Arrow Silver Arrow, a Stutz, Duesenberg, or something along those lines, I would get correct repro bias-plys; on everything else I would put on one of the many fine brands of wide-white radials that are out there now that are very close to the original tires.
I do believe it is possible to over-restore a car. I have disdain for "trailer queens" and museum pieces. How are you supposed to enjoy something like that if you have to worry about every little tiny thing that could happen? There was a fella from Green Bay, Wis. that won the lottery some years ago and bought himself a Tucker from the A-C-D museum in Indiana. It got damaged in the trailer on the way over--he'd have been better off driving it here! Get in your car and drive it; enjoy it. Share it with people. An experience like having and driving a fine collector car should be shared. The best place to do that is on the road, not in some God-forsaken museum.
As for modifying a car, best IMHO to do it with a common car. I guess my philosophy is that if everyone street-rodded and customized cars, there'd be nothing left to show people what they really looked like (remember, I don't care for museums--the public highways should be your museum; many more people will see them). 55-6-7 Chevys and Ford Mustangs, fine--they're common as dirt. Orphans, generally no. If you know that there are many good stock examples of your car around and that they will continue to be around, fine; but I draw the line at Packard Light Eights (see the latest Hemmings) and Stutzes, classic Hupmobiles, A-C-D's, etc.
I disagree with rambos_ride on cost/effort. I know a guy in Fond du Lac who sunk tens of thousands making "resto-rods"--neo-classics, really--out of a '35 Cadillac and a basket-case 1931 Reo. When he got done, they had new V-8s and power everything, A/C, stereo CD, tilt/telescoping wheels, the whole works-- but all-new classic-style instruments and wide-white radials with real wire wheels. The Reo was originally a four-door and became, with the help of another basket-case Reo, a two-door roadster. But when it was done, it put the finest Excalibur you can find to shame. It would have been cheaper and faster to restore it stock. As for parts availability, that's what clubs are for. We just got a complete mechanical overhaul done on our '54 Kaiser Manhattan--engine, tranny, overdrive, rear axle, wiring, and exhaust in less than six weeks. That's why I say stick with your fellow clubbies and you'll be fine--you can get anything you need if you caal enough people and you have a network of people who really care."Problems are merely opportunities in workclothes." -Henry J. Kaiser -
I won't buy another car unless I'm going to rod it. Ran into this situation with my Pace until I noticed the frame was shot and would need a donor (and therefore, answered that question for me) anyway. Didn't really like the idea of restoring it, if it would have been better suited to that, I'd probably have just sold the thing to someone else. But then again, I'm an anry cuss and probably would have chopped it just to spite some! lol
I disagree that only common cars should be rodded. That's why they become common! And honestly folks, some orphans are orphans because they are just too darn ugly and nobody would modify them anyway! But seriously, I'd much rather see a custom rodded orphan or other unusual car/truck that would end up with some good looks. I have no problem rodding the last car of its kind......it would be my money and my car. Many people talk about the rarity of certain autos, but then can't seem to come up with the cash for those so-called rare cars.
IMHO (well, maybe not so humble! lol!) there's not a car/truck out there that can't be improved with a sawzall and welder!
Happy Trails!!! (No offense guys, but since I'm in the minority around here, I just like goofin' with the purists! Maybe thats why my father called me the Antichrist!
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Jay
"is the heat baking my brains?!" -
I am with you on this, I once had a 48 hudson and the water pump failed, it took me 16 DAYS to get a pump, Had I been on the side of the road in this delimma, I would have had a very high motel bill while I WAITED for a water pump, had it been a small block chevy I could have replaced it in just a few hours.
my $.02 worth -
2 more cents! My vote is modify, modify modify. I am a tinkerer. I have always been a tinkerer. I will die being a tinkerer. At 5 years old I was making changes to my toy cars and model airplanes and now at 67 I am still doing it. I have this overwhelming desire to improve or upgrade the appearance or performance of anything mechanical. If I purchased a new car right off the showroom floor the first thing I would do is take it home and do something to it. You ain't going to change me and I am not going to try to change you.
Now saying that, a couple of observations. I don't hear "purist" screaming to high heaven about modified cars while watching car races and other car related events about. Hello! Earth to purist, that car you are watching came off someone's showroom floor before it was modified. Should we chastise the owners and have them un-modify their creation? What about famous modified cars? Even the much reveared "Doc" started as a piece of flat sheet metal on the assembly line destined to carry "tricycle motors" and their parents on Sunday rides to the country. If these cars are so sacred why aren't they going into the hands of restorers to be preserved? It is a fact of life that there is also death. When I was younger I found Joe Bailon's candy apple 55 Chevy custom pickup sitting in this junky front yard rusting into the ground. What a shame to see a beautiful work of art destroyed by neglect. Here was a case of it that would have been great to "restore" to its former glory of a custom pickup not the 2-door sedan that came from the factory. Lighten up guys and have fun. You only have a limited time of life on this Earth so enjoy it. Be nice to you fellow car buffs. Check them out. They may be really nice guys. If you have a restored car, drive it. If you have a custom or rod, drive it. The name of the game is Have Fun and enjoy life.
BTW I enjoy seeing a nicely restored car.
Enough! and Peace
Chazwww.themodernartist.com -
Couldn't have said it better Chaz! Well put.mrsbojigger wrote:Lighten up guys and have fun. You only have a limited time of life on this Earth so enjoy it. Be nice to you fellow car buffs. Check them out. They may be really nice guys. If you have a restored car, drive it. If you have a custom or rod, drive it. The name of the game is Have Fun and enjoy life.
Jay
P.S. Tomorrow I'm going down to finish stripping Al's parts off my donor! Yeah!!!!!!! -
I like to keep the original charicteristics of the car but like to do the kind of rodding the designers whould have done had they had more ability at the time. But in that same aspect I am not real big on an all original car that you are afraid to have fun with. I enjoy the original designers art with my own artistic expression kicking it up a notch. But sleepers are awsome when you get next to some punk in a ricer and he tries to go for it. The expression of disbelief on their face is priceless.:eek:
Tarzie:cool:
