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In this Discussion
- 1951hornethardtop August 2012
- 35terraplane August 2012
- 46HudsonPU August 2012
- Aaron D. IL August 2012
- ArkieJazz August 2012
- hdsn49 August 2012
- hudsonsplasher1 August 2012
- hudsontech August 2012
- Jon B August 2012
- Krille August 2012
- lostmind August 2012
- oldhudsons August 2012
- PaulButler August 2012
- RL Chilton August 2012
- rod_n_hudson August 2012
- SamJ August 2012
- ScottFitzgerald August 2012
- Tallent R August 2012
- Uncle Josh August 2012
So where are all the 39's then
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Talking (in the virtual sense) with Rick Clark he mentioned that there wasn't a '39 of any shape to be seen at the the Nationals and they seem to be generally thin on the ground in terms of being discussed.
So where are they then? -
Hi Paul,
Yup - not a '39 to be seen - Wasn't there Saturday, so one might have shown up...
From what I understand, the '39 was not really a good year for Hudsons, and the style was and has not been very popular - although I like the look of my truck.
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I think the '39 has a look all of its own. I often look at my 112 and appreciate the form of it
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A really good example is that of Mr. Bennett's (?) 1939 112 Woodie. I REALLY wished I had asked him to pop the hood and open it up, so I could have taken more pictures of it.


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right, not a '39 present.
Here's a '39 CC8 club cp. I restored.
'39 Country Club 8 business coupe 001.jpg2704 x 2164 - 440K -
Paul-
Keep in mind that while the '39's in general were/are not the most popular, you could pile manure up on the front bumper of the Woodie and it would still be gorgeous . . . .
Rick
Soneff used to have a '39 PU, have you seen pictures of it? I think all the HUD pu's were good lookin'! -
The 39's for sure are few and far between. I had mine at the 09 national and the last two central regional meets. I personally like the looks of the 39.
Gene. -
Russell - Have followed his 'Big Boy' pickup for years. Has been continually offered for sale ($60K), gone to auction several times - never met reserve. About as close as I got to it has been pictures -



His pickup had been modernized with a 202 cu in Jet engine, etc..
Then, there is another 39 Hudson 'Big Boy' that I will always think of as Pete's -


Then, there was the pickup that 'never was' (?)... Nothing seen, except these photos -

Haven't really found any pictures of a '39 Hudson 112 model 90 pickup (1/2 ton)...
Yup - love my '39 Hudson pickups! -
Thanks, Rick. Both of those are real sharp.
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And Gene, your '39 tops all of the 39's out there (ragtops are the best!) LOL!
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In my opinion, Hudson "got it right" in terms of marketing in 1938 and 39. After a period of several years in which the senior and the less-expensive Hudsons looked similar to one another, in '38 and '39 there was at least some differentiation in the front end design. (Different grilles, different headlamp location.)
Consider how similar the '37 Terraplanes and Hudsons looked. Why would someone want to spend more money buying a Hudson in 1937 when he could buy a similar-looking Terraplane for hundreds less? This was unfortunate for Hudson, because they (and all car companies) made a greater profit per car on their more expensive models, not their cheap ones. But the aura of the Hudson nameplate was cheapened by the availability of the look-alike, budget priced Terraplane. In '38 and '39, the two series looked different from one another, to Hudson's advantage. Then, once again, all models began to look similar to one another.
Hudson had a good idea when they introduced the lower-priced Essex, which was a separate nameplate (so the Hudson name could be kept as a medium high-priced car). But this ended in 1939 when they dropped the lower-priced nameplate (Terraplane, by then) and simply referred to the cheaper car as a Hudson (112).
Packard cheapened its name in the late 1930's by introducing a less-expensive car under the Packard nameplate. It saved the company for the time being but undermined the nameplate. In the early 1950's the company introduced the "Clipper" nameplate in order to keep the Packard nameplate more upscale. But it was too late. -
Thanks Russell. Hope to see yours one day.
Gene. -
the 1st '39 PU shown, with Colo. plates, was John's, into which he put a new Jet engine with new Jet o.d.; I think he also put in P. S.
the 2nd one is the one I did; it was restored correctly & has the original engine.
Both of these are long w.b. Big Boy PUs & the only ones I've seen or heard of.
John drove his to the National in S. D. a few years back. -
I'm doing a condensed post here guys :-)
Russell,
Have to agree about the Woodie ; it's on my Hudson Bucket List :-)
Rick,
As you know I have a fondness for the '39 Hudson of any sort with the 112 at the top of that list. A PU is also on my Hudson Bucket List as well.
Gene,
Have to agree with Russell ; any ragtop is good indeed and yours is sharp indeed!
Alex,
Your remarks about marketing are spot-on I think. In '38 & '39 there was a distinct range going on and the demographics were nicely covered.
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PaulButler - that was the other Mr. B's (Jon) comments on marketing.
Hudsonly,
Alex B
Memphis, TN -
Pictures of some '39 Hudson convertibles. Harder to find pictures with the 'top down'... -


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PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER!!! I was told this through the years by the people that sold them and repaired them , that the 38s and 39 Hudson were very hard to sell. They had to practially give them away to get rid of them. They were under powered compared to their predicessors with puffy looking bodies etc. Of course these people are long gone so cant confirm any of this. I personally thought the big Hudson in 39 was nice looking. Ford had a v8, Chevey had a overhead 6 with lighter bodies. I was also told that the P series Hudson was so under powered that it was as we say--Hard to pull a chicken off its nest with them. I dont know because I have never driven a 38 or 39. I still would like to own one, but to late in life for that.
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Actaully 51, you're probably correct. My '39 112 had what was left of an earlier Hudson 212 in it (they all came with a 175 cu in) - now long gone. My '46 pickup is hasn't got much in the way of speed, but could probably pull stumps out of the ground...
And, although I have both 175 and 212 engines set aside, I do not intend to put either back into my '39 - unless I have no other choice. My goal is a Hudson 232 - if I can shoehorn it in. -
I don't know way they said they were under powered. They have the same drive train as 37 in both the 6's and 8's excluding the 175 traveler engine. The Ford V8's of the day were 85 hp. My 37 Terraplane and 39 Hudson are 101 hp. It used to irritate the hell out of the Ford guy's when they would get beat by a Terraplane. LOL.
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Well, I don't know about being under-powered, as I am yet to drive or ride in a '38 or '39. In regards to the "stump-pulling" feature, until the engines got "squarer" and utilized that long stroke, they were going to be torque monsters and lacking in horsepower. A little deviation between the two power factors can be a good thing, but the huge difference in the Hudsons meant that their power curve wasn't what it could be. No offense, Gene! Now, for the day, I agree, they were some of the fastest cars on the road. Comparitively speaking, for the modern day . . . not so much.
The '38's are still one of my favorite years, but ever since I saw Gene's '39, they have really grown on me. Too bad there's not more of them around. Seems like it would be nice if I end up with one someday, I'd take that . . . *ahem*, boat-anchor of a 175, re-build it and put it on a display stand so the car could one day go back to original and I'd stick a 308 in it and burn up the roads. Those late 30's convertibles have got to be lighter than a step-down. Then again, I'd probably get my license revoked for sure then! -
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The Pick-Up that never was: Why is that, because of the integrated headlights and the sidemount? Was this model based on the model 92?
Didn't it turn out that the commercial models for '39 were based on the 112's?
Was it also true that in '39 you could get 1/2-ton or 3/4 ton? Which one is yours? -
Jon,
My apologies - it's age you know :-)
Alex,
Thanks for the correction -
RL - the Big Boys had the 212 engine as std. equip. & were 3/4 ton whereas the 1/2 came with the small engine - not sure about '39 on that but do remember in '40-42 era with the small truck you could order it with the 212 engine & if so there would be an "L" stamped on the door post; think this applied to the Traveler series cars too
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here's a few photos of a very rare '39 Hudson Six convertible brougham I bought a few years ago (later splasher 6 engine put in so they had "stuffed" the firewall to do so, otherwise completely original)

'39 conv. model 92 conv. brougham 3-5-2010 9-55-06 AM 460x218. side view.JPG433 x 178 - 22K
'39 conv. model 92 conv. brougham 3-5-2010 10-04-11 AM 481x266. windows.JPG468 x 254 - 27K
'39 conv. model 92 conv. brougham 3-5-2010 9-49-54 AM 472x309..JPG457 x 296 - 35K -
still had shards of original top - one photo shows the original snap in quarter windows & top rear window
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oldhudsons-
That's too cool! You said you bought this one a few years ago? Do you still have it? Also, is there any cool Hud in the club that you didn't once own? LOL! Sometimes, I think if I ever do find out who the original owner of my ragtop is, I'm gonna find out it was PB!!
Kidding aside, that's very sweet. So was this one a 92 or 93 series possibly?
Any chance you could e-mail me these pics for my file? The ones here on the forum are too small.
Russell
HETrlchilton52@gmail.com (drop the HET) -
@46HudsonPU - Why not put in a Jet 202 with OD instead of shoehorning in a 232 ?
If memory serves I thing Butler's book said Hudson had like 40 different model/bodystyle combinations in '38 including the Hudson-Terraplane then they cut back but still overall did not have a large production run. It would not surprise me if some of those '38-'39 Model/Bodystyles were in fact extinct with no surviving examples. -
"If memory serves I thing Butler's book said Hudson had like 40 different model/bodystyle combinations in '38 including the Hudson-Terraplane then they cut back but still overall did not have a large production run. It would not surprise me if some of those '38-'39 Model/Bodystyles were in fact extinct with no surviving examples."
56 different models and 16 different commercial models in '38 and no doubt about it (some extinct models). -
@ RL Chilton Yeah and that's the kind of thing the club should want to try and prevent if possible.... extinct models of Hudson's It would be nice if nothing else that one example of each exists for historic preservation. I don't know how possible that is. 56 cars is too many for one person to keep and take care of.
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Hi Russell,
The other '39 in the old photos is what has been termed a 'Pacemaker' pickup - According to what I understand, it was a prototype which never went into production. The prototype has never been located/found.
Mine is the 1/2 ton 112 Model 90 (112 WB). Pete's and John's are 'Big Boy', Model 98 (116" WB (?)).
I have seen only a couple of pictures (magazines and such) of what I believe are '39 112 Pickups, and know of another one actually here in Maryland (Southern MD, 'Teeny Wible' owns it) - so there must be at least a few more out there.
Aaron - That is and has been a thought, however I REALLY want to try to make the 232 work out (I've got a 'Clifford Performance' intake and exhaust for it...). -
RL - it's a model 92 of which I believe there is one other.
I bought it from the original owning family in the Bay Area & sold it to a guy in L.A., not sure what he did with it (this was between 5 & 10 years ago).
I'll try to get around to forwarding the photos to you but if you'd e-mail me at: oldhudsons@aol.com then I'd have it right in front of me to remind me + have your address "in memory".
I didn't keep it as was exerting all my time & $$$ on restoring a '33 T8 conv. + the firewall had been battered in to put the later spasher 6 in (have distributor at the back of the engine). -
this is the '33 T8 conv. "in progress" at the time
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@oldhudsons
I'm not seeing the image of the '33 T8 and I'd love to! All I see is the box with "image" in it ; even a right click and "Show Picture" doesn't bring it up -
My friend Bill D. bought a 46 212 from me, painted it up then bought the 39 CC I rescued. Has it on the road and drives it everywhere. He's a mild hot rodder but it's not in the junkyard, he's having fun and showing it.
I didn't notice there were no 39s at Gburg but did notice there were no 40s. My bad, I got distracted with a building project and didn't get my 40 Victoria eight 5 pass coupe done. Later this summer maybe.
Bill D's 1st car show with '39.JPG1842 x 1384 - 1M
40, 49.jpg2048 x 1536 - 742K -
Paul - me either, will try again
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trying again
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nada - 1st tried using "image" then "attach a file" & all I got was "Uploading" for several min. but no pic!?!?!?!
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My old mate Lester had a '39 112 Convertible which was , as I recall, a bit "rough" as we say.
No idea what happened to that ; I'll have to try and find out from him.
Somewhere in the loft I have a picture of a '39 Convertible that had just been left to rot away ; I'll go digging for it -
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Sent you an e-mail. -
There was a '39 Country Club conv. brougham, yellow, at a National in Ind., either Huntington or Indianapolis, in the '60s; not sure if a 6 or an 8, but it has seemingly disappeared; what a "raree"!
I do know of a '39 CC8 conv. cp., only one known to exist. -
Here is a picture of my brothers '39 112 Victoria Coupe.

2008-7-30_39Hud112Web-Large.jpg750 x 552 - 42K -
A Victoria coupe! Wow! This makes exactly 2 of these models that I have heard of.
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I love that Victoria Coupe ; such a pretty car!
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oldhudsons, I remember that 39 and took a picture of it. My young wife fell in love with it and that is the reason for the picture. I have been looking for it and havent found it. I have found pictures of the 64 meet in Hamilton, Ohio but not the 39. Will keep looking.
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1951 - as I recall it was part of Carl Horton's collection. The photo I have/had (not sure if I can find it) showed the '39 in front of a hotel, not sure if in Huntington or Indianapolis. It may have been in '67 at the time of the Cross Country reinactment (friend, wife, and I piloted a '33 T8 sd. which went from Portsmouth, N.H. all way to terminus meet at Knott's Berry Farm in Buena Park, Calif., needless to say an adventure in itself as '33 basically original, had a broken skirt on piston, our best cruising speed = about 45 mph, used exactly 1 CASE of oil, LOL!!!)
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hmmm, found the photo, it's a yellow '39 CC conv. with a black top driving down a street in Huntington, Ind., dated by my wife as taken in '66 (maybe that was the year of the Transcontinental Run ?)
We had at least 1 National at Huntington as that was the nearest town of any size to the Souers place. As yet no chapters in HET, a family or a group of friends would just put their proposal together at previous National, everybody would talk about it, & President would decide as I recall.
The "wildest" one I ever attended was the one at Dayton, Ohio, I think put on by the Gleyduras.
Many of the members then young, as in our 30s, & somebody would have a party in their room each night (no one does that anymore, guess we're all too old). At one of the parties met one of the craziest characters I've ever met, a guy named Hooper who'd come all the way from Australia. He had a big collection of Hudsons & was so funny I had an asthma attack. I was towing a long w.b. '34 T conv. which I'd bought in R. I. back to Calif., but that's another long story, LOL. -
oldhudsons,I know the feeling on the oil lol, Took part in the drive Iowa in 1998. Pulled into truck stop in Davenport and smelled oil. The oil line fitting was leaking. It looked like if I touched it it would fall completely off. Decided to drop out and head for home (160 miles away) before I touched it. Added oil, bought oil and started West on I-80.Had to stop at Iowa City for more oil. Drove 70 MPH. Cars would come up behind me to see what kind of car it was and thensuddenly drop way back. LOL Leaked 12 quarts of oil on I-80 before I got home . Stopped a lot to add oil but did not let it get below add oil mark. After I arrived home I opened the hood and touch the oil line and it fell off in my hands. In the morning the driveway showed a complete outline of the car from the front wheels back. Old cars,always an adventue. LOL PS the line to the filter.
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1951 - well this sad old '33 T8 sd., my buddy had pulled out of a junkyard (he was stationed at a navy base in Portsmouth, N.H.). He checked the bottom end & dropped & cleaned the pans, that's when he saw it had a broken skirt. He just "buttoned it up" & drove it to Huntington. My wife & I had flown into Chicago where old crony Harold Jornt picked us up & drove us down to Meet. John arrived late. The 1st time I saw it I was several floors above it in hotel room (John had sent several unrevealing photos, LOL) - when I saw it I said to my wife "well at least I've got enough $$$ to catch a bus home". It had been painted "with a broom", uph. smelled, back seat full of a lot of spares John had found in junk yards (brake drums, etc. AND a case of oil), and not a straight fender on it!
Soon as I got home advertised it, sold it, and guy from Ind. came out to L.A. & drove it all the way back to Ind.!!! It then "dropped off the map", don't know it's fate. Have a few poor quality b & w photos of it. -
Huntigton was the time the hotel caught fire. Ah the parties!!! I and others were across the street at a bar having a few adult beverages. I finally decided to check on the wife and daughter. I went up the stairs and the floor my room was on was filled with smoke. I t was comming out of the room next ot mine. I got the wife and daughter up, they were sleeping and we ran down stairs and told the hotel to call the fire dept. They woke everone up and evacuated the hotel. It seems the guy next door had fallen asleep smoking a cig. They carried he out and dont know wether he lived or not. On another subject about Dayton, that was the one held down town. I have a brother-in-law that lived in Dayton (wife side) I missed alot of that meet visiting family. Ahhhhh
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any of you guys remember Harold Jornt? He was from Kenosha, Wisc. He was a master mechanic & had 2 Hudsons of note, a '29 H dual cowl phaeton (which will be at the '13 National) and the '48-9 Derham limousine made for Mrs. Chapin (he had it a long time).
He bought 2 REALLY nice stepdowns I found for him, a '49 C6 cp. with o.d. which he came out & drove home, and a '51 C8 cp. with Hydra. which I drove back & delivered to him. When he retired & moved out to Calif. I don't think he brought those 2 coupes with him so assume they're someplace in the Midwest??? (the '49 was grey, the '51 gold). -
1951 - yes, remember it was held in an old hotel with an underground garage as had trouble getting Chrysler T & C sta. wagon tow car with '34 T cv. on tow bar in & out of the place! The '34 wouldn't "track" as didn't have center point steering, had to drag it into several gas stations with front wheels skewed & tires screeching, LOL, but got it home.


