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Spare parts Wishlist Essex Terraplane 8 1933
  • Terraplane33Terraplane33
    Posts: 231Gold Member
    Dear All,

    I'm looking for several spares :

    1 Head light lens :
    John Brown Stabilite Columbus Ohio
    Dimensions are : 9 15/32 x 10 7/32
    reference : 1781
    Designed for Mazda N° 1110

    Rear Tail light (driver side)
    Lens and bezel are not original
    (this car has only one tail light)

    Windscreen wipers (supplier)
    Lower windshield retainer (center)

    1 original piston in good condition or supplier information to buy a new set
    bore size 2.9375
    could be the same than ET6 1932 or Hudson Super six 1933 (according to Interchangeable Parts Handbook)

    Any supplier link to ball joints and other suspension items

    Waterpump (NOS, rebuilt or used)

    Cam gear information : is this reliable ? what is your experience ?

    Thanks for your help !!
    Location : France
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    As I recall those headlamp lenses are a '33 T8 only item, ergo hard to find (T6 is smaller). There is/was a guy on the east coast who specializes in headlamps & lenses - I can't remember his name who might have 1 as might several members who have T8s but some of them don't come in here or aren't online at all.
    As to the wipers I'd get some small new ones & cut them down to size.
    I'm not too much into engine machine work but might suggest getting a 3" piston, which are "a dime a dozen" & have it honed/machined to size.
    Your chance of finding a new waterpump for a T8 are zero & none, you'll have to get it rebuilt. If shaft worn may have to have it metal sprayed back to dimension & find a new seal (just sent 2 NOS ones to friend in Calif.).
    Don't know what to advise about cam gear, not sure if any interchangeability or not.
    Your car only has 1 taillight as it is a standard model - in Aug. of '33 Hudson upgraded the T8 & T6 with the "Deluxe" series which had dual taillights, 2 ash trays in the dash, a Majestic radio, & a pr. of chrome front horns.
    You have to realize the T8 was only made 1 year, and not many of them, & some parts are only for it. It has been my experience that for every 10 guys wanting to buy for them there's only about 1 willing to sell!
    Good luck!!!!!!!!!!
  • Marconi
    Posts: 549Platinum Member
    Try Lester Harris for engine and chassis parts. Minden, Nv. 775-267-2559 and Jason Fisher @ Vintage Coach Fontana, Ca. for other things. 909-823-9168 Tues. to Sat. 8am to 5pm.
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    doubt if Lester would have anything but sure worth a try.
    I don't think Jason (Bill Albright) has/had anything for the T8 (I got an orig. air cleaner from him a few years ago) BUT he can put you in touch with Val Smith who I believe is helping Pat Meehan's widow dispose of Pat'a hoard of T8 stuff!
  • PAULARGETYPEPAULARGETYPE
    Posts: 1,239Platinum Member
    I HAVE 34 WATER PUMPS IN WAHT EVER SHAPE YOU WANT THEM IN I ALSO HAVE KITS FOR EARLY PUMPS I DON'T THINK 33 AND 34 ARE THE SAME THOUGH I ALSO HAVE KING PINS ( 33 DOEN'T HAVE BALL JOINTS) FOR IT EMAIL ME AT HETHUDSON1957@AOL.COM DROP THE HET FROM THE EMAIL
  • Richard E.Richard E.
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    This is the '33 Terraplane 8 sedan that was for sale in France (your avatar), when did you get it and where are you? Did you have it shipped. It is a very nice car.
  • terraplane8terraplane8
    Posts: 357Platinum Member
    A nice image of someone's car.

    [attachment]33et8 conv cream.png[/attachment]
  • Terraplane33Terraplane33
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    I bought this car in July 2010, only about 200km from home, I'm located in Northern France
    Location : France
  • terraplane8terraplane8
    Posts: 357Platinum Member
    I bought this car in July 2010, only about 200km from home, I'm located in Northern France

    How many T8's do you think are in France or for that matter Europe? There wouldn't be many surely. In the UK there are very, very few it seems.

    I imported my T8 from Norway to New Zealand in 2005. Of an original shipment of new cars to Norway of 6 twin sidemount 4 door sedans also with rear luggage rack, all in the same green colour, mine was the last one left in the country apparently.

    What impresses me in particular is how nicely the bodies are built.
  • Terraplane33Terraplane33
    Posts: 231Gold Member
    I was told 16 cars left (or at least known) but no idea about the details, ie T8 with dual side mounts, T8 in general, or ??
    Anyone has an some information ?
    Location : France
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
    Posts: 1,726Platinum Member
    the Club used to have "registrars" for the various years & models and there was one for the '33 Ts. I looked in the latest WTN and these people are not shown. I don't know if this is something only printed occasionally or if these "registrars" no longer exist, but at one time the "registrar" for '33 made available a list of known ones, by model, body style, and owner. I probably still have that old list somewhere but by now most of those cars have "moved on" but there were at least 25-30 T6 & 8s on it.
    IF there still is a "registrar" for them he should be able to give an approximate number.
    I know the Registar for Railton is Dave Keister up in Wash. & he keeps a list of all known Railtons in the U. S. whether in HET or not. My old crony Pete Welzbacher, also of Wash., used to or still is the Registrar or all know '29 Hudsons.
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    let me give you an example of an interesting odyssey of a pair of '33 T8 convertibles, one of the most desired of HET products:
    Bill Harrah had them, one a restored model he got from a guy in Sacramento, the other a largely original one with dual sidemounts, out of Minn.
    When the Harrah Collection was being dispersed Thomas Cadillac, an old Caddy dealer in downtown L.A. bought the pair. To make a long story short they sold the restored one at an auction in the L.A. area some years ago. A dealer in Phila. bought it, eventually sold it to Zach Brinkerhoff of Denver, a really great guy who just recently died, and it was just purchased from his estate by my best HET pal who's in Calif.
    The fate of the dual sidemount conv. is unknown - I don't even know if Thomas Cadillac is in business any more. They had a multi-storied bldg. with their collection, largely of Cadillacs, on the upper floor. If I knew how to put photos in here I'd put in photos of the pair I took at Thomas Cadillac some 30 years ago.
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    [attachment]C:\fakepath\pr. 'T8 conv. at Thomas Cadillac.BMP[/attachment]
    let's see if I can do this.
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    I tried to download a scan I've made of 4 photos of the 2 T8 converts but classicar won't accept them, said they are a "bmp file", whatever that is, so won't disply them - frustrating!
  • terraplane8terraplane8
    Posts: 357Platinum Member
    oldhudsons wrote:
    I tried to download a scan I've made of 4 photos of the 2 T8 converts but classicar won't accept them, said they are a "bmp file", whatever that is, so won't disply them - frustrating!

    It would be great to see these images!

    Do this to convert to a jpeg file:

    "MS Paint. Open the bmp, then go to File - Save As, and change the extension at the bottom to JPEG (.jpg)."
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    [attachment=11484]pr.T8conv.atThomasCadillac.jpg[/attachment]
    one more time
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  • terraplane8terraplane8
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    Nice! Has the bottom car got 17" wheels?

    I'm after one part, the badge off the luggage rack.........anyone have a spare one or one they would be happy to lend for a pattern?
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    if you were ever at Harrah's you'll recognize the sign in the upper left photo.
    The other 3 were taken in the Thomas Cadillac building, dated 1973. This was a visit to their Collection which I organized for the So. Cal. Chapter. I have several other photos taken at the same time.
    The dual sidemount car had it's original upholstery but had been given a cheap repaint. Harrah's never did anything with either car.
    Harrah's had quite a few very rare Hudsons but the only one I can recall them ever restoring was a '27 EBT which they did bring to an HET National much to everyone's stunned surprise, the only time they ever did that.
    In addition to the '33 T8 conv. & the '27 EBT I remember they had 2 '31 H BTs, a '29 H dual cowl ph., a '29 H club sd. (both long w.b. B & S models), the '31 H phaeton Eldon has now, an Italia, & I believe a few more. Most of these were never on display unfortunately.
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    [attachment=11485]ex-Harrah33T8conv.nowBuzz.jpg[/attachment]
    let's try this again, LOL
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  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    AHA, I'm getting good at this! sorta -
    Anyway, the history of this T8: one Bill Seadler of Sacramento found this T8 conv. sitting in a field in that area. Bill restored it but it had no engine when found but he was able to find a '34-5 H8 engine for it (water pump longer so hood never fit up flush with radiator). This was the 1st of these storied models I ever saw. My 1st wife & I drove up there from L.A. just to see it; he gave us a ride, Nancy sat in the rumble seat. This was approx. 50 years ago.
    He subsequently sold it to Harrah's in Reno where it sat until the Harrah Collection was largely auctioned off ('70s?) & Thomas Cadillac bought both T8 conv. They did nothing with them either but sold the Seadler car at an auction in the '80's I believe.
    The guy who bought it at the auction was a Phila. dealer who thought he could make a big buck on it (at the auction were Lorain Reese, Bill Albright, myself, Zach Brinkerhoff, all HETers interested in buying it but unwilling to pay what the dealer did).
    After advertising the car, etc., the dealer was unable to sell it. Zach got in touch with him & bought it then re-restored it & in the process found a T8 engine for it.
    Zach died earlier this year so it has left Denver & now has a happy home in so. Calif. with a devoted HETer. He will be bringing it to the San Simeon Meet next month.
    To answer your question, NO, T8s only & always used 16" wheels, the T6's used 17" wheels, at least here in "the States".
  • Terraplane33Terraplane33
    Posts: 231Gold Member
    Nice!

    I'm after one part, the badge off the luggage rack.........anyone have a spare one or one they would be happy to lend for a pattern?

    Same for me... :(
    Location : France
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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  • Terraplane33Terraplane33
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    Thanks for the great pictures and T8 story Oldhudson ! :) :)
    I'm 9h ahead of time comapred to California, a new day already started !
    Location : France
  • Terraplane33Terraplane33
    Posts: 231Gold Member
    Thanks for the great pictures and the ET8 story Oldhudson ! :)

    I'm 9h ahead of times compared to California so a new day already started !
    Location : France
  • Terraplane33Terraplane33
    Posts: 231Gold Member
    oldhudsons wrote:
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    That 'automatic gear' device (missing on this engine picture) isn't that standard ?
    Location : France
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
    Posts: 1,726Platinum Member
    now that I've learned, finally, how to insert photos in here, thought I'd put in this engine shot of one I had.
    You can see several of the unique '33 T8 items, the V-front radiator for greater water capacity (T6 was flat), the T8 only air cleaner, and the slightly raised center of the head. In '34 Hudson made the head higher & in '35 raised it again.
    The T8 engine has a bore of 2 15/16" & was the 1st H8 with a 1 piece head (the '30 thru '33 Hudson 8 used 2 heads).
    The dark green was a late '33 color - this was a Deluxe model thus made after Aug. of '33.
    I thought I'd put this in for those of you who may never have seen a '33 T8 engine.
    I have a photo of a sedan John Dillinger had used with a cop pointing to a bullet hole which it had recently received, LOL!
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    I don't know what you mean by an "automatic gear" unless you're referring to the "automatic clutch" which was an option; this car did not come with it.
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    oh, good, I'm glad you find this interesting & I hope helpful.
    I'm an old coot staying up late in Az. We don't change time here so right now are on West Coast time, later will be on Mt. Time.
  • Terraplane33Terraplane33
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    oldhudsons wrote:
    I don't know what you mean by an "automatic gear" unless you're referring to the "automatic clutch" which was an option; this car did not come with it.
    Yes, I meant automatic clutch system, I didn't know it was an option :oops:
    I like pretty much the way this car is built so i thought it was part of the standard equipemnts. unfortunately, it's not a convertible with rumble seats but I'm very happy with it :)
    I have a question about the original engine color, I found red kind of undergroune paint, and green. I cleaned the engine and painted it black with high temperature paint on the head
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    but I'm a kind of geek who loves everything original, juste no ideau of the original color...:oops:
    Several parts were painted red but I didn't like it :(

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  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    1. that water jacket cover is a home made replacement with water pipe in wrong location.
    2. engine was silver
    3. air cleaner black
  • terraplane8terraplane8
    Posts: 357Platinum Member
    The water jacket cover has a plate inside that needs to have the right sized holes to ensure correct distribution of cooling water.

    Somewhere, someone will have a template showing the correct layout.

    Also I think someone was making stainless steel ones.
  • Terraplane33Terraplane33
    Posts: 231Gold Member
    Thanks for your remarks !!! I will be very interested to have more detailed info about this cooling manifold, to find an original one will be like impossible but I can get someone copy it maybe ?
    Location : France
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    Right, an original T8, another "one-off" T8 item, you'd be VERY lucky to find, BUT might easily be able to find one for the '34-5 Hudson 8 engine which will bolt right on. You'd have to change the water tube on the outside of it, etc., but it'll be right for the car. The one on the engine photo I posted earlier is NOS - I'd found it 30+ years ago & kept it all this time knowing it's rarity.
    You might contact the Railton Owners Club just over "the Channel" as think they may have had some made of stainless or even have a good used one on hand. I think their web site is railton.org & you'll see a "SPARES" caption at the top, explore that & see.
    Also you might be able to find the water jacket cover for the '32-3 Hudson 8 engine, have to do the same thing - I have 2 of these, NOS, but can't sell 1 right now (deal pending to sell all my parts).
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    checked for you, or anyone else, & yes, ROC has various water jackets avail., NORS of stainless for 195 pounds (have no idea how much that = in euros). they would have the water jacket to block gasket you'd need too.
    I think ROC will sell the parts they have to non-ROC members. They have it set up as a "scheme" whereby profits generated go back into financing making other items. You'll see they have a 4 page list of stuff they have avail. which you might find very useful/helpful inc. valves, clutch items, & so on.
  • Tallent RTallent R
    Posts: 1,572Platinum Member
    Charlie Harris was selling stainless plates at OKC for the 212 & later 254 motor. The one for the 254 may fit or be able to be cut down?
    Roger
    Retired Tech.
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    Yes Charlie, think the block bolt pattern the same all the way up.
    The late 8s protrude out further & have the pipe on top of the jacket rather than coming out of the side so you'd have to cut the jacket & remove the upper pipe (have seen this done, not esthetically very nice) then cut it again to put the pipe in a lower position for the early cars = a lot of "messing around".
    The T8 water jacket just like the '32-3 except the dia. of the pipe is smaller.
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    Dorman used to make NORS water jackets for all manufacturers & at one time readily available, could find them in swap meets, all you had to know was the Norman # which they stamped on them & make sure they were for a Hudson.
    I have, or had, a Norman products catalog & used to have their water jackets hanging off nails in my garage like bats, usually had 8 to 10 of them, now down to 3.
    I haven't gone to a swap meet for a LONG time. Used to go to Hershey occasionally but last time I went cost a lot to get there from Calif. and there was practically nothing for Hudsons anymore (+ Weber always got there days before & would have "scarfed up" everything, LOL).
  • terraplane8terraplane8
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    I've tracked down two sets of used original headlight lenses for $US225/pair plus shipping. It's expensive, but then again these lenses are very hard to find! Not sure what others cars they fitted, someone may know which could make the search easier in future.

    I'll probably take one pair, so you could take the other pair if you're interested. The vendor says they are the correct Stabilite lenses for the car.

    He's almost out of the Terraplane Six lenses but I think these smaller lenses are used on other cars as well, so supply should be better.
  • Terraplane33Terraplane33
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    Thank you very much for all your help, I really appreciate !!:) :) :) :)
    I still have a lot of work but I'm sure I will get there !;)
    Thanks again !
    Location : France
  • cargray
    Posts: 177Expert Adviser
    I Had several of the 8 cyl water jackets for sell at OKC Nat..only sold one!!! I had them priced at $140 ...These are NOS Dorman ,,one has the smaller T8 pipe, still have it. others are 34-35 8 cy with pipe coming out the side. Price still stands but would have to pay shipping..I think this price is about half price of the stainless ones, and they look right. RD
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    right! 195 pounds = around $300 not counting shipping!
    If I'd been there & seen it I would have bought it.
  • terraplane8terraplane8
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    oldhudsons wrote:
    checked for you, or anyone else, & yes, ROC has various water jackets avail., NORS of stainless for 195 pounds (have no idea how much that = in euros). they would have the water jacket to block gasket you'd need too.
    I think ROC will sell the parts they have to non-ROC members. They have it set up as a "scheme" whereby profits generated go back into financing making other items. You'll see they have a 4 page list of stuff they have avail. which you might find very useful/helpful inc. valves, clutch items, & so on.

    ROC spares is quite good for the older models - they have used parts as well, for example I got a '36 water pump base off them second hand and they airmailed it to me at a reasonable price.

    I suggest contacting them also for discussing how to repair your water pump. There is a lot of knowledge among the members and in fact it would be worthwhile joining up since you're quite close by and they do have members based in Europe too.
  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    right - I attach a pic of Cee's '37 H8 "Century", an English custom bodied car which he drives all over + he has a Railton too. Practically a "neighbor" of yours as he's in the Netherlands. He had the '37 shipped to the West coast last summer, drove it to Spokane then all the way across Canada, & had it shipped home from there. You can see the ROC car club badge on the front. He & his wife, shown in the picture, are really nice people!
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  • terraplane8terraplane8
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    Nice!

    I'm after one part, the badge off the luggage rack.........anyone have a spare one or one they would be happy to lend for a pattern?

    Same for me... :(

    oldhudsons have you still got that badge, or was it someone you knew, can't remember which? What would it take to get a couple of castings made. Also the badge that fits in the casting, is that the same as the grille badge?

    Would like to see an image of this mysterious luggage rack badge too!
  • Terraplane33Terraplane33
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    I suggest contacting them also for discussing how to repair your water pump. There is a lot of knowledge among the members and in fact it would be worthwhile joining up since you're quite close by and they do have members based in Europe too.

    This is the current waterpump, I don't know where it comes from but I believe it's not original, what do you think ?
    It does not leak but not sure it is efficient because the engine temperature tends to rise (leaking valves solved, water manifold to be tackled, waterpump :unsure: ) The ignition adjustment can also be part of it and as far as I've seen, the job done before is not really accurate...:(


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  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    correct, NOT the right water pump.
    Yes, think replacing that plate with a proper water jacket can help with cooling problems. Be sure & clean out the block behind the water plate after removal, may be a lot of "crud" built up & adhering to the block thus decreasing the effect of the water in cooling it.
    When you have the block (and radiator) clean I'd suggest adding "water soluable oil" to the water. It will prevent rust in the future building up. It is avail. here in auto parts stores.
    You should check the timing certainly + while you're at it, I'd check the valves for proper clearance.
    I'd also run a compression check when you get it running again, make sure valves in good condition.
    As I recall your T8 has pretty low mileage. If "up to snuff" it will be a lively performer for it's age.
  • Terraplane33Terraplane33
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    Valves have been regrinded and valve clearance are readjustes as well. According to the online library, it has to be done engine warm so I add a little bit more clearance but I will check it once more as soon as the engine is running again ;)
    I'm lucky : the radiator is rebuilt, no dirt inside the head apparently !
    I found a 'strange tool' from my dad in the garage, exactly what is needed to remove these flat head valves, easy !

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    I hope this water pump will make it as to find another one will be a hard fight...
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  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    that's great, sounds like you know what you're doing (unlike others who sometimes come to this website & don't know, or even worse, don't care).
    Yes, those are a great tool for valve removal.
    Ivan used to visit this website - in the last year or so has bought 2 '33 T8s & a lot of parts too but don't know if he'd have a spare water pump.
    I'm going to a meet in so. Calif. middle of next month - he's coming along with guy handling stuff from estate of old friend who recently died who also had 2 '33 T8s & a LOT of parts. If you get one in the meantime post accordingly in here, otherwise will see if can "dig one up" for you.
  • Terraplane33Terraplane33
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    Earlier this year, there was a T8 for sale on ebay.com, the guy had lots of spares and several water pumps but lost his email...
    it was this car :

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    Maybe someone knows this person ?

    Thanks Oldhudsons for all your help !
    if you find one for me please do not hesitate ! the chance I find one around here are zero anyway ! In case I find one I will let you know !
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  • oldhudsonsoldhudsons
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    It looks like the one I sold Zach, only had about 32K orig. miles, which he restored from excellent original, but he sold it a year or 2 ago & I don't know to whom. It was originally all black but he had it repainted to that color scheme.
    Got an e-mail address this a.m. I'll follow up on, the guy handling the estate; if he's got one will send his address to you.
    You're more than welcome.