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51 Hudson pacemaker..desireable??
  • 44todd44todd
    Posts: 97Expert Adviser
    Hey All..My names Todd..I have a chance to get a 51 Pacemaker 4DR sedan from a neighbor..it needs total restoration,or I may just part it out..I was just wondering if this car is worth the effort??

    Any input would be great.. Todd 218-208-2080 N central MN
  • BrowniepetersenBrowniepetersen
    Posts: 2,406Platinum Member
    Hi Todd,

    As you may have read on other posts, I just picked up a 1950 Commodore 6 sedan. It was a free car. I tried to give it away to several folks and they told me that it was not worth the work. When I got it home it was in reasonable good shape. Pretty much rust free and with good solid interior and the best is that it runs. A new tuneup, brakes and perhaps a paint job over the winter and it will be a "new" car on the road. It is not the most exciting stepdown that is available but it is a good deal for me.



    When you say your car needs a full restoration you have to take some things into consideration. The first and formost is how much are you willing to spend on this restoration. Once you examine this as a realistic view, then what can you buy for equal money. Sedans seldom get restored because of the cost and the money could buy that coupe or brougham.



    In the end, once you consider this, you have to make the decision yourself. Those of us on the Forum have made the same decision many times but the simple fact is that although all should be restored--it is not always cost effective to bring each one back.....
    Brownie
  • 44todd44todd
    Posts: 97Expert Adviser
    I guess my real question is, are the cars parts at all in demand?? I part vintage cars, but Hudsons are pretty new to me
  • Aaron D. IL
    Posts: 1,648Platinum Member
    Is it desireable? Heck yeah. Question is, Is it desireable to you? If it has a solid frame I'd say it's definately worth it to someone. Parts are hard to say, they'd be in demand among Hudson folks maybe but they're ususally not willing to pay a great deal for them as is say those in the market for Caddy or Packard parts. Pacemakers were Hudson's base model and short wheelbase car many parts will interchange with other Hudsons of the same year but not all and some would fit the other models but would actually be a downgrade.
  • RL ChiltonRL Chilton
    Posts: 3,444Platinum Member
    Aaron D. IL wrote:
    Is it desireable? Heck yeah. Question is, Is it desireable to you? If it has a solid frame I'd say it's definately worth it to someone. Parts are hard to say, they'd be in demand among Hudson folks maybe but they're ususally not willing to pay a great deal for them as is say those in the market for Caddy or Packard parts. Pacemakers were Hudson's base model and short wheelbase car many parts will interchange with other Hudsons of the same year but not all and some would fit the other models but would actually be a downgrade.

    Ditto to this and to Brownie's post above. As so few Hudsons exist, all Hudsons are worth saving, but not always cost effective, particularly sedans when re-sale is considered. An emotional attachment would certainly negate any cost considerations. Parts are nearly as precious as entire cars, as the demand is there, but as Aaron mentioned, not if someone thinks they are worth their weight in gold, which is too often the case.
  • 37 Terraplane#237 Terraplane#2
    Posts: 1,659Platinum Member
    As is in all makes , prestige plays a large roll in their desireability . Sure , all makes had top and low end models and top end is allways the best . That does not mean the low end models are trash to be removed from the face of the earth , If it is fixable even as a dailly driver by all means salvage it , a pacemaker makes a fine road machine and will accept commodore trim parts to dress it up a bit if desired , I've got a 51 pacemaker with a few commodore trim pieces on it and am really happy with it . BUD
  • rockin tomrockin tom
    Posts: 44Senior Contributor
    I think, that every hudson is worth to save from wrecking or parting out. These cars are very rare, especially here in germany. I just got done my complete engine overhaul on my 1952 Pacemaker 4 door sedan. I can't do it by myself, so a car repair shop did it for me. The costs came up to 6.500 Euros. So in Summary with the buying price an the other repairs i spent about 15.000 Euros. Some people said, it's not worth because it is no hornet and no coupe or something... But it was really worth for me!



    I dreamed of a stepdown-hudson and now i have a really pretty little one! I've got a 48 Commodore 8, too, really desolate condition, but it's worth to keep and being proud of it. And some day, we will bring it back on the street, too.



    For me there was no question, which hudson stepdown i would choose, because there was only this one to get, my 48 Commodore. 2 years later i got lucky and found another better one, the 52 pacemaker, which i drive now. Both are many more worth for me as the money i spent for it...
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  • Hudson308Hudson308
    Posts: 1,405Platinum Member
    One factor that will make this decision easier for you is the condition of the perimeter subframe sections under the car from the rear axle on back. Look especially at the frame section outside the rear wheels, as well as the hoop that sweeps around under the back. Since stepdowns are of unibody (Hudson called it "Monobuilt") construction, this is a vulnerable corrosion area. Repair will be difficult and/or expensive. If the frame is solid then this car is a better candidate for restoration. If the subframe back there is badly rotted, repair may be more difficult to justify.
    Workin Stiff
  • rockin tomrockin tom
    Posts: 44Senior Contributor
    That frame is almost gone on my 48 and the main frame from the rear axle to the back too... :eek: ...o man, i don't like to think about it... real many work to do on it... but it is still a stepdown, my dreamcar... :D
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  • Hudson308Hudson308
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    rockin tom wrote:
    That frame is almost gone on my 48 and the main frame from the rear axle to the back too... :eek: ...o man, i don't like to think about it... real many work to do on it... but it is still a stepdown, my dreamcar... :D



    It's a common problem on these cars in areas where salt is used on the roads in the winter. This the first area to look at when checking out a Hudson to buy.
    Workin Stiff
  • Lee ODellLee ODell
    Posts: 1,832Platinum Member
    rockin tom wrote:
    That frame is almost gone on my 48 and the main frame from the rear axle to the back too... :eek: ...o man, i don't like to think about it... real many work to do on it... but it is still a stepdown, my dreamcar... :D



    Nice to hear from you. Your determination is an inspiration.



    Thank you for sharing your story. Please keep us informed on your project. Lee
  • mikeybmikeyb
    Posts: 60Senior Contributor
    Maybe I´m just crazy, but IMHO the Hudson stepdown sedans look better than the coupes. It´s that long sleek line right back to the trunk that fascinates me. Plus, if everybody is just restoring coupes my ´49 Super Six Sedan will be very rare in the future... and be much more valuable then! :D



    Cheers



    Mike
  • BrowniepetersenBrowniepetersen
    Posts: 2,406Platinum Member
    Mike, I agree with you. My first choice was a 1952 Hudson sedan. I loved it--even after I sold it. I am on my second sedan (notice the photo's posted today on another thread) and already I like is better in some ways than I did my 52. If you want that nice 50's look--a sedan is the only way to go.....









    mikeyb wrote:
    Maybe I´m just crazy, but IMHO the Hudson stepdown sedans look better than the coupes. It´s that long sleek line right back to the trunk that fascinates me. Plus, if everybody is just restoring coupes my ´49 Super Six Sedan will be very rare in the future... and be much more valuable then! :D



    Cheers



    Mike
    Brownie
  • Kevin C.Kevin C.
    Posts: 409Platinum Member
    mikeyb wrote:
    Maybe I´m just crazy, but IMHO the Hudson stepdown sedans look better than the coupes. It´s that long sleek line right back to the trunk that fascinates me.



    Mikey, you're not crazy. The sedans ARE better looking than the coupes! At least that's what my wife tells me.:rolleyes:



    Kevin C.
  • rpmonroerpmonroe
    Posts: 295Gold Member
    mikeyb wrote:
    Maybe I´m just crazy, but IMHO the Hudson stepdown sedans look better than the coupes. It´s that long sleek line right back to the trunk that fascinates me. Plus, if everybody is just restoring coupes my ´49 Super Six Sedan will be very rare in the future... and be much more valuable then! :D



    Cheers



    Mike



    Same here for the sedans, just love'm and more comfortable too(not enough legroom in the back seat of a coupe IMO).



    Run it around in primer for years and don't worry about every little detail, have fun with it. Like someone said earlier, just find some trim from about any other stepdown and put it on for sparkle. Originality is great but enjoyment and creativity go a long way too.
  • Hudson308Hudson308
    Posts: 1,405Platinum Member
    rpmonroe wrote:
    Same here for the sedans, just love'm and more comfortable too(not enough legroom in the back seat of a coupe IMO).



    Run it around in primer for years and don't worry about every little detail, have fun with it. Like someone said earlier, just find some trim from about any other stepdown and put it on for sparkle. Originality is great but enjoyment and creativity go a long way too.



    Yeah, what he said. :D
    Workin Stiff