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'38 112 Convertible Update
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    The fan blades and fuel pump were put on yesterday. The underside of the body is now finished.
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  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Pictures of the body
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  • BrowniepetersenBrowniepetersen
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    Dave,

    It is looking really great. I do want to mention that there are some hazards using the copper tubing for gas lines. There is a chemical reaction that takes place between the gas and copper that can cause problems resulting in failure. It takes a bit more work to install steel tubing but you are much better off and safer than with the copper.
    Brownie
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
    Posts: 264Gold Member
    Thank you for your suggestion Brownie. The old line I took off the fuel pump was steel. I replaced with a copper line to stay consistent with the oil lines that had already been installed. The main line from the gas tank is steel and has been mounted to the frame. I do not want to create any unforseen problems so I will change the copper line out in the next couple days. Thanks for the heads-up.
  • Chuck G
    Posts: 365Platinum Member
    Dave

    Great pictures, keep them coming this is a super nice project. Will it be at next years National i hope? Chuck G
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
    Posts: 264Gold Member
    Thank you for your comments Chuck. I hope to have the car at next year's annual show. I will keep the pictures coming as long as there is an interest.
  • ESSX28-1ESSX28-1
    Posts: 995Platinum Member
    Browniepetersen wrote:
    Dave,

    It is looking really great. I do want to mention that there are some hazards using the copper tubing for gas lines. There is a chemical reaction that takes place between the gas and copper that can cause problems resulting in failure. It takes a bit more work to install steel tubing but you are much better off and safer than with the copper.



    Brownie,

    What is the chemical reaction using copper tubing for gas lines? I've been using copper on my Essex for the last 10 years that appear to be fine.

    I am aware of the benefits of annealing them every so often (10 yearly?) but not any other problems.

    I run about 4 to 5000 miles each year using a vac tank as distinct from a gas pump if that makes any difference.
    Dave Y
    New Zealand
  • Kevin C.Kevin C.
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    dave kastelic wrote:
    I will keep the pictures coming as long as there is an interest.



    Dave,



    Keep the pictures coming because they are the blueprint for my '39! ;)



    Not only does the engine and body look great but I was admiring the interior bracing to prevent the body from flexing and that you bolted the trans cover in place to help also.



    Did you make the rotisserie?



    Please tell me you will have your car at Gettysburg in 2012 as we won't be able to make OKC next year.



    Kevin C.
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
    Posts: 264Gold Member
    We welded a 1" square piece of steel on both sides to hold the body together. If we had not done this I do not believe there is any way the body would not have cracked. Yes, we built the rotissiere with the same 1' steel. It might not be as good as the "store bought" models but it is functional and pretty easy to attach. Total cost was about $150. The plan is to use 2" x 6" wood to lift the body back on to the frame. We have 4 pieces of re-bar to guide the body down into place. Will take some pictures when this is accomplished.
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
    Posts: 264Gold Member
    Got the body back on the frame today. Will get pictures up tomarrow.
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Body on frame pictures.
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  • RL ChiltonRL Chilton
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    WOO-HOO! YEAH! Isn't that a great feeling? Putting the body back on for the first time. That's a great moment in car restoration, right there.
  • Kevin C.Kevin C.
    Posts: 409Platinum Member
    Congratulations Dave!



    Like Russell said, it's gotta be a good feeling to have the body and frame back together.:D



    You can really see the Mandalay Ivory with the car in natural light. It looks good!



    What kind of material did you use on the frame rails between the body and frame?



    Keep up the good work!



    Kevin C.
  • 46HudsonPU46HudsonPU
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    Whoo hoo! Looks great! Keep plugging away at it Dave -
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Thank you for your comments guys. We put a felt material very generously on the entire frame. Sprayed the addhesive on and pressed the material on immediately. A couple small pieces fell off when we put the body on but most stayed in place. Yes, it was kind of a milestone to get the body back on the frame. Had a couple cold one's to celebrate.
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    The color out in the open really shows up a lot better than the "interior" pictures. The black frame really shows up nice with the ivory color. Not bragging, just giving the old Hudson people credit for their original choice in colors.
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Please go to "my garage" to see what this car looked like prior to the restoration. It was pretty rough. Mr James Carswell is 99% responsible for the credit in getting the car back to where it is at this point.
  • 46HudsonPU46HudsonPU
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    dave kastelic wrote:
    Please go to "my garage" to see what this car looked like prior to the restoration. It was pretty rough. Mr James Carswell is 99% responsible for the credit in getting the car back to where it is at this point.
    For those of you who are interested, here's Dave's photo album in his 'mygarage':
    http://classiccar.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=photos&task=album&albumid=152&userid=52744&Itemid=78
  • Chuck G
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    Dave

    What tire size are you using and what brand, Where did you get them?
  • Jim KildayJim Kilday
    Posts: 207Gold Member
    Keep the pictures coming--they are highly motivational. Great work, great car!!
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
    Posts: 264Gold Member
    I purchased the tires from: Diamond Black Classics 4753 Hwy 90 Conway, SC 28526 1-888-922-1642 www.dbtires.com They are 175/75R16-2.5" Whitewall Tire-Special Wider White. With radial tubes the cost was $1044.50
  • Chuck G
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    Thanks for the tire info. Dave. Keep the pictures coming as you can see there is a great interest in your project. Did you completly go thru the engine? Chuck G
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Had the cam and crank machined. Replaced everything else except the block. There were no cracks in the block. The cam had to be built up on four lobes, then ground back down to spec.
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Thank you for your comments guys. I will post more pictures as we make progress on the car.
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    My painter is scheduled to be here tomarrow to paint the motor details. If this happens I will have pictures up tomarrow.
  • PaulButlerPaulButler
    Posts: 208Expert Adviser
    Dave,

    This car is looking fantastic! I know I don't need to say it but keep up the good work. I've saved a couple of the engine pictures to give me some clues as well.

    Paul
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Thank you for your comments Paul. I realize we took some liberties with the motor colors but we thought it was worth it to give it some detail.
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Pictures of todays work.
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  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    The motor got painted as well as the hood emblems. I do not know why the "T" appears to have some silver but this is not evident when looking at the motor. Check out the other motor pictures.
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  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Got the rear fenders on yesterday and took a couple pictures of the underside.
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  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Thought I would get a few comments regarding the tail lights. Please let me know what your thoughts are. We tried to match the tail lights to the head lights as close as we could. Dave
  • Jon BJon B
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    Well, in my opinion they look a lot more streamlined that the normal '38-39 112 lights (even cooler than my '37 lights) but of course they're not original. I'll never know why Hudson didn't carry the streamlined look from the front, to the back of the car. The tailllights on the 112's (and on my own '37 as well, in my opinion) looked like afterthoughts.
  • hudsontechhudsontech
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    Let me guess - what you did for the tail lights was to take a spare pair of headlight buckets and shrunk 'em down in boiling water!!! :D



    Right??



    Hudsonly,

    Alex Burr

    Memphis, TN
  • 46HudsonPU46HudsonPU
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    dave kastelic wrote:
    Thought I would get a few comments regarding the tail lights. Please let me know what your thoughts are. We tried to match the tail lights to the head lights as close as we could. Dave
    I like them! And they look as if they belong to and are a part of the car, probably more so than most of the era (which look like add-ons or afterthoughts)...

    I don't recall where you got them - although I seem to recall that extensive modifications were made to make them look that good.

    Jon B wrote:
    Well, in my opinion they look a lot more streamlined that the normal '38-39 112 lights (even cooler than my '37 lights) but of course they're not original. I'll never know why Hudson didn't carry the streamlined look from the front, to the back of the car. The tailllights on the 112's (and on my own '37 as well, in my opinion) looked like afterthoughts.
    Addendum: Just read Jon's post! Honestly, I was typing mine when he posted his... Goes to show you, 'great minds think alike'!
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Thank you all for your comments. Alex got it right. we shrunk the head lights but I promised I would never give away the secret how it was done. It did take a little work with the hammer and a little patch work to get them to fit the body. Not saying they are 100% in the same place on both sides but they do look pretty good.
  • Chuck G
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    Taillights look great. How about a few pictures of the fuel tank Dave? Chuck G
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Chuck, I plan on painting the gas tank this week and getting it put on by Friday. Will try to remember to take a few pictures both before and after installation.
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    The gas tank is now painted.
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  • Chuck G
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    Dave

    Thanks for posting pictures of the tank. I have thought about having another tank built and wanted to see a tank someone had done already. Keep up the great work. Chuck G
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    I believe I paid about $600 for both the gas tank and the radiator.
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    We got the gas tank on today. I will get a few pictures up in a couple days.
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Got the gas tank on the car Tuesday. Here are some pictures.
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  • Chuck G
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    Dave

    It looks like a nice fit, now what are you using for the tank sender unit?

    Thanks Chuck G
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    We have one on order from a local parts store. I did not order it so I do not know the details. When it gets here next week I will post the specifics.
  • 46HudsonPU46HudsonPU
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    Looks good Dave, wish I could see the progress in person...
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    You are welcome at any time Rick. By the way, will have no time to work on the car for a while after next Tuesday. My son Joe has qualified to play in the US Amateur in Washington State. We will be flying out on the 20th. Wish him luck.
  • JasonNCJasonNC
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    46HudsonPU wrote:
    Looks good Dave, wish I could see the progress in person...



    Rick,

    Eat your heart out. I live in Hickory, NC and tonight I ran into the guy that is doing the restoration for Dave at his house. He's an old friend of mine. Guess where I'm going first chance I get.

    Jason
  • 46HudsonPU46HudsonPU
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    JasonNC wrote:
    Rick,
    Eat your heart out. I live in Hickory, NC and tonight I ran into the guy that is doing the restoration for Dave at his house. He's an old friend of mine. Guess where I'm going first chance I get.
    Jason
    Ah, you know Junior then... That man has quite a lot of skills & talent!

    Enjoy!
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    Thanks you for your comments guys. I feel like I have to make a comment regarding Jason's post. Junior is not doing the restoration for me. I have been working hand and hand with him throughout the entire work for about one year now. I always give Junior all the credit he deserves and it is his knowledge that is making this work possible. However, I am quite sure, as Rick knows, that he will tell anyone interested that I have been right there with him the entire way.
  • 46HudsonPU46HudsonPU
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    dave kastelic wrote:
    Thanks you for your comments guys. I feel like I have to make a comment regarding Jason's post. Junior is not doing the restoration for me. I have been working hand and hand with him throughout the entire work for about one year now. I always give Junior all the credit he deserves and it is his knowledge that is making this work possible. However, I am quite sure, as Rick knows, that he will tell anyone interested that I have been right there with him the entire way.
    Yup - From my observations, this is a 'hands on' project for Dave (he's that type of guy), and he is really enjoying it. Junior & Dave work together on this, with Dave getting just as much dirt and grease on his hands (clothes, etc..) as Junior - if not more :rolleyes: :D... Junior has a 'boat load' of experience in restorations, builds, rodding, etc., (just a few of his many talents & knowledge) - and you would be envious of the contacts, etc., that he has... All of which are called into play and REALLY keeping this & other projects moving along and on track.

    When I was there, Junior was busy doing the interior on a beautiful red truck (red leather seats and full leather interior), with the tanned & dyed hides hanging next to the h/d sewing machine and table, while Dave was in working on the frame of his '38...

    BTW - I saw more restored/rodded vehicles in Daves, Junior's & Jr's places during my 3-day visit to NC than I see in some car shows!
  • dave kastelicdave kastelic
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    The tail lights are actually Ford. Obviously the brackets did not fit the body tight enough for our purposes. This is how Junior got them to fit. First measured where the two holes had to be drilled to attach them to the body. After this was done he heated the body and used a hammer to make the indentations in the metal sufficient to fit the brackets. He then used filler to build the body back. Just before the filler hardened he gentled placed the bracket against the body to get the correct angles. After everything set up we sanded the area and added more filler. Sanded again and kept working it until we got the bracket to fit like we wanted. This was repeated on the other side. I think they look real nice but the work that went into getting them to fit was very time consuming.